Josh 0:00

Yeah, but even you mentioned E.T., like that's another one where my parents decided it was too scary and I wasn't allowed to watch it.

Pamela 0:12

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Josh 0:54

We are not experts. We are just way too confident in our own opinions. With all that being said, let's get started. Welcome back to another episode of Premeditated Opinions. We are thrilled to be back in your ear holes, and we have uh something that we're pretty excited about this afternoon. We've got um the great Mike Chandler joining us, which is a longtime friend and colleague of Pamela's and uh somebody who I've been hearing an awful lot about forever. Sorry, Mike. So so I'm I'm thrilled actually just to get to hang out a little bit and get to know him right alongside all of you. And so uh yeah, what would you like to say to introduce the great Mike Chandler?

Pamela 1:32

We worked together a couple years ago. At the time, I was a project manager, and Mike unfortunately was on one of my project teams or a couple of my project teams at that time. Unfortunately, yeah.

Josh 1:43

Oh, one thing I did want to call out before we get too far into this is uh for anyone who's actually watching on YouTube, you'll notice there's there's a few aesthetic differences than usual. So for starters, we are hanging out in Pamela's dining room. Um I'm sorry. No, don't be sorry. No, we don't have a beautiful painting. It's no, we have windows to a fence, which is so much better. So uh we've got we've got a little bit of an aesthetic change, and um Mike is actually joining us remotely. So you're seeing the back of a laptop uh or you're seeing Mike's remote feed. So where are you actually joining us from right now?

Mike 2:21

Yeah. I live outside of Los Angeles, right outside of Los Angeles County in a city called Simi Valley. So it's it's very LA, but without being LA. I don't know if that makes sense. It's it's LA without the crazy. When I feel like crazy, I could just hop in my car and it's a short drive away.

Josh 2:43

I've got family in Redlands, California, um, which is about an hour east of Los Angeles. And so I I I try and get out that way every now and again. I got some people very dear to me out that direction.

Pamela 2:53

So yeah, that's one thing too that's always interesting to me is that he lives in LA and he is not LA. When he's like, Yeah, I live in LA, I was like, No, but where do you really live? And he's like, No, really. And I'm like, Oh my god! Yeah, so yeah, we got to talk. I think I I um picked your brain about LA and like um any like celebrity sightings and movies and things like that.

Mike 3:19

No, that's the thing about where I live. If you if you live in LA, you know, the old you know, you may see celebrities every once in a while, but you don't see them all that much. It's not like it's not like celebrities just go and and hang out in downtown. Um but I live in the suburbs. I live, I live actually where I live is uh it's a it's an area called the zone. It's it's so it's in a 30 mile radius from all of the studios. And and that then that means a couple of things. That means that that you know, celebrities who have you know TV shows and they have to live studio close, uh, they live around here. And then also if there is a if there's something being filmed, it could be a TV show, it could be a movie. Um, but a lot of commercials, they'll all they're all filmed like around where I live. So they're so it's not unusual to drive around, you know, on a Wednesday morning on your way to work and see a a set, you know, in like a an a like an abandoned gas station.

Pamela 4:17

See, that is so wild to me. That's awesome.

Mike 4:19

It's like it's super, super common. And I love it. Like I've I've I've always had that around me, and I oh I I I don't want to move because of it. Because what are some of the popular movies that you've oh man, I mean, I don't even know if I can like it's it's a huge, huge list. But I'll tell you that like what when I so in my city, uh my city was actually host to the television program Little House on the Prairie. It was filmed in the hills, like right like down the road from where I lived. So it was a really common thing to have, you know, on a Friday afternoon, like star wagons, like the the like the RVs or the motorhomes that that the stars chill out in, uh coming coming down the hill and and making their way to the freeway, all the all the trucks that hold the lights and stuff, and to see them on a Friday, like you know, making their way for a long weekend. Um but uh like television shows that you've probably never even heard of. Um uh uh Quantum Leap in the 80s, they they filmed an episode of of that. Uh but motion pictures too. Uh when I was uh very young, one of the one of the most memorable summers that we ever had was when they filmed uh poltergeist in our city.

Josh 5:29

Yeah.

Mike 5:29

Uh and it was it was inside the principal photography was in our city. So the house that that movie takes place in, that's like a mile up the road from where I live. That's amazing. And and it was a big, big movie set. It was a huge, huge deal. And I was pretty young when that was going on, and and all the neighborhood kids are like, Oh, we got another film and a movie, we gotta go. And everyone's getting on their bikes and they're they're cruising down to this house. I'm like, I can't go. I'm too young, and I gotta cross this major intersection. And you know, I couldn't, I couldn't go. So I'd I'd listen to the kids come back and talk about it. And then and then the dads in the area where they would they would all go down and they'd talk about it. Uh and it was being filmed at the same time as E.T., which was also filmed close to where we live. Oh, that's classic. Elliot's house uh was not filmed close to me because it had to back up to uh Hills so that you know they could so that they could make sense of E.T. being back there. But the the neighborhood and uh like the the under construction neighborhood and the park where all the kids are riding their bikes to try to get away from the feds. That's that's all around you know where we where we live or nearby where we live. Like the park where that where they all end up that gets that's so still known as E.T. Park. No, I love stuff like that. And those two films were being done at the same time. They were both one of them was directed by Spielberg, that was E.T. uh. Spielberg was an executive producer on Poltergeist, but he wasn't his contract with ET prevented him from actually directing Poltergeist, plus they were filming at the same time. But he would come out to our city and he'd hang out on the set. And I mean, at the time I had no idea who he was, but you know, other people were super excited because you know he had done Jaws and Close Encounters of the Third Kind, and they were just like beside themselves with excitement that this guy was out here filming a movie in our neighborhoods. Yeah, um that's so cool, but you know, it but it's funny because you know you watch these movies and you get into them as they're as they're playing out on the screen, but then you watch them again, you know, yeah, having seen them for the first time, and you kind of zero in on where they're filming. Terminator 2 is one of my favorite movies. Great movie. Oh, I love it. Right, yeah, yeah. And it's yeah, it's got that scene at the beginning where T1000 is chasing John Connor for the first. He's found him at the mall, and then he goes and he gives him chase. And that takes place, the inside takes place in one mall that's very common, one mall that we all used to go to, right? And then when he jumps into the parking lot and heads out to the street, that's a totally different mall, right? Totally different mall. And he's running down the street, and you see John Connor, he gets on his, you know, his motorbike, and he he goes into this like private parking lot, and that private parking lot is the place where my dad used to work. Oh once he gets into that private parking lot, they cut, and it looks like he's like going into you know this this other area of the neighborhood where he he wasn't at there at all. Like they've actually cut and they've moved him back like two and a half miles. And then the whole scene where there were T1000 is chasing John Connor in the the LA River, right? In the reservoir.

Josh 8:24

Oh, yeah.

Mike 8:25

That you see that you see the truck go crashing down, and and that's like a really known intersection in the area. And to see like the a truck crashing through those bricks, you're like, whoa, they had to fix that. You know, you know. Then he's driving through you know the reservoir, and you see him in one point and you see like the houses, and you can kind of make out street signs and you see what they're you know where they are, and then they'll cut and it's like, oh, wait a minute, now they're like two miles uh behind where they were just a second ago. So you start to pick up stuff like that because you live in the area where these movies are filmed. Yeah, that's but it makes it a lot more enjoyable and special. So I I love that. I love that I live in that area and that there's so much film history, you know, from all the movies that we watched growing up. It's not the same now. You know, now there's all these incentives to get people to film elsewhere, you know, outside the country or outside the state. But before when it was all you know really centralized, especially in the 80s and 90s, I mean, everything was filmed out here, and you recognized practically everything in all these movies. It was great. I loved it.

Josh 9:24

That's cool. We've actually seen quite a bit of a boom in filming, even in the North Texas area. There's there's a massive film studio going in, actually, not that far from where we're sitting right now. Um, there's a huge project tied to sort of the Tyler Sheridan network. Um the guy who produced Yellowstone, he produced uh was 1893. I might be saying that title wrong, so forgive me if I am. But uh he also did a show called Landman, starring Billy Bob Thornton, all those films in Fort Worth, which is basically where we're sitting. And so there's been a lot of attention in this part of the country uh in the film scene. And I love it just because it it brings some great commerce here for my colleagues who are in the industry and can, you know, provide a lot of the support services that are required when you're bringing that kind of work here. Um but it it's i there's pros and cons. I mean, the Southern California still, I think people's perspective of it is it is a hub for that sort of creative medium. And at the same time, you're absolutely right. You know, there's a a lot of attention being put in other parts of the country, even Georgia.

Pamela 10:31

Louisville.

Josh 10:31

Yeah.

Pamela 10:32

Louisville, we had uh they just they had just wrapped a couple years ago a movie, like a horror film with Nicolas Cage, uh Orlando Bloom and Katy Perry were there filming. He had filmed um Elizabethtown in Elizabethtown, Kentucky. Um so yeah, I mean we we were starting to see more um like of our friends' neighborhoods being kind of taken over production crews. Um so that was kind of cool.

Mike 11:05

Office space was filmed in North Texas, yeah. Oh, was it really? Yeah, that's funny.

Josh 11:09

Yeah, all of it was filmed in uh the Lost Cleaness area, which is in Irving, which is basically smack in the middle of the Metroplex.

Mike 11:16

I love that movie. Um Office Space was filmed there. The Office, you know, on that that had nine seasons that you know takes place in in Scranton, but was filmed, you know, out here in the San Fernando Valley. And uh the the thing that always amuses me about that show is you know, I'll watch them, you know, doing an episode and they'll have some big episode where they go, uh, you know, like there is this uh the episode where Dwight and Michael Scott are fighting over business. Uh they're they're they're chasing each other, and you know, they're they're they're trying to Michael has uh the Michael Scott paper company because he's been fired and Dwight and and and Michael are chasing after each other trying to trying to get this uh this business. They go running into this building where I used to work and and up the stairs and through the offices where I used to have an office, and it's just funny to see stuff like that. But the the office was actually filmed in the San Fernando Valley, close to where we live. And you know, my son, who ended up getting to know that show during COVID and and really learned to love it, was oblivious to the fact that it was all filmed out here. You know, they they'd have these scenes where they go, okay, well, we're gonna we're gonna go deal with this at uh corporate. Let's go to New York. And they hop in a car and they hop on the freeway that we take all the time. And they're like, All right, we're all we got a couple hours, let's go ahead and talk. I'm like, You guys got more than a couple hours. You're driving through the middle of San Fernando Valley to get to New York. But you know, my son, he's totally oblivious to stuff like that. So I'd tell him, I'm like, you know, that was all filmed out here. He's like, really? And we just hop in the car and I go and I drive to the actual office because it's a very distinct-looking building. Yeah, yeah. And he sees it and he's looking at it, he's like, wow, I can't believe he has me take a picture of him in front of the the office building and stuff. And and then we're sitting there and we're looking at it, and he goes, What about the episode where they got snow and they're building snowmen in the in the parking lot? And I'm like, God, yeah, you're right. I guess they had to they had to manufacture some snow and throw it out here and hope it didn't melt. Yeah, but yeah, movie magic.

Pamela 13:06

Oh, I remember that episode. Do you remember that? Oh, when when Dwight is hiding in the like he they had all these like um like human-sized snow snowmen, yeah. And Jim comes out and he's terrified because he doesn't know if Dwight's in one of them. Yeah, yeah. That's a great episode. No, that's so cool. I love that. I love when you tell stories about um this like production and movies and stuff going on out there.

Mike 13:32

It is, it's it's fun. It's not the same. Like it was a big deal in the 80s and 90s, but yeah, like like we were saying, they've they sort of you know spread things out as far as film locations are concerned. The last big production that we had out here was huge. It was it was everything everywhere all at once. Oh, whoa. Principal photography was all out here. It was in our mall, it was in this old um uh Bank of America building that Amazon eventually took over. But in between that time when Bank of America had it before Amazon took custody of it, it was just an empty building and they built all of their sets in there. And you know, because they could do anything, they could blow stuff up in there and you know, do their pyrotechnics, and it was a it was an on-issue.

Pamela 14:09

That's one that I keep meaning to ask you what that movie was because I want to see it.

Josh 14:13

I haven't it's it's a fun one. It's a fun one. It's a ride. It it there's nothing I don't know that I can compare it to anything. I don't know about you, but like the for me, I watch it on a plane the first time, and I remember thinking I need to see this on a bigger screen. And and I watched it at home once, and I that it deserves another it deserves another trip. I I need yeah, I need to it's it's a weird film.

Mike 14:38

It is a weird film. It's a strange movie, but uh that's fun sometimes for me. Yeah, yeah. It was particularly enjoyable for me because of uh the star. Um I've mentioned this to Pamela before. We've talked about Keekwan. Keekwan was a child actor. He was, you know, he played short round in Indiana Jones and he played uh Data in in Goonies. But um I just I always remember him because I always just especially during that time, I just I loved movies growing up. It was such a big deal for me, and I I loved them so much, and I wanted to be in movies, and and I just I I so so when I saw that kid in these movies, these huge, huge movies, Indiana Jones and Goonies, I was like, I was so envious of him. And and it's funny because he lives around here somewhere. I've never, he's like, I think the only celebrity who lives out here that I haven't actually seen at an airport or a grocery store or something. Um, but he's out in the valley somewhere. Um never seen him, but but knowing that that you know he was he was such an inspiration to me when I was a kid, you know. I was like, man, I would love to be that guy, you know. How fun! He gets to do a movie with Harrison Ford. I was so envious, and then you don't really see him anymore, right? Because he he took a behind-the-scenes job and he continued to work on movies, but he was more of like a fight choreographer. And then he got back into it, he gets that role, he's out here doing a movie for you know months on end, and then the movie just blows up, and the guy gets the Academy Award, and he has this emotional speech. I was like, wow, that's the one guy that I would love to meet, I think. Um, but yeah, like stuff like that, I feel like it really just it makes it makes this stuff really, really special.

Josh 16:11

Yeah, but that's really neat. I I I remember him at first from the Indiana Jones, because he was in Last Crusade, right? Or was it he was in Temple of Doom? Temple of Doom, ah over two, man. Um yeah, like the original Indiana Jones trilogy are some of my favorite movies of all time. Yeah, and the Goonies always have uh also has a special place in my heart. Like that's it's just it's kid movie gold. Like it's hard to ever get better than that. But yeah, I I I remember when he kind of came back onto the scene in uh uh Anything Everywhere All at Once. Gosh, I don't know why I can't say those words, but um I really I remember watching him in that and thinking, man, this dude's been sandbagging some talent. Like he he was really enjoyable and and a lot of like seemed to have some actual range and emotion. And it was it was yeah, it was fun to watch. But I yeah, I'm I'm like you. I I kind of grew up loving movies. I I grew up in a household where I was a little bit restricted from a lot of movies. So there was I had this whole season of my life kind of in my late teens and early twenties, where I went backwards and watched all the things that my parents wouldn't let me watch when I was growing up. Um and I remember I probably saw The Goonies for the first time when I was about 19. And I was like, Oh, no kidding. This is amazing. I can't believe anyone ever kept me from this.

Mike 17:37

Um, that's surprising, actually. That's surprising. Because I I always sort of figured that the reason I enjoy the movie and continue to enjoy the movies because it always brings me back to my childhood. You know, like I'll see movies that I really enjoyed when I was a kid and think to myself, would I like that if the first time I saw it was now? I'm not sure. Yeah. So that's interesting.

Josh 17:54

Yeah, but even you mentioned E.T., like that's another one where my parents decided it was too scary and I wasn't allowed to watch it. Wow.

Pamela 18:01

And and I watched it in daycare. They showed it. I remember that. They showed it when I was in daycare. Yeah, that's amazing.

Mike 18:13

Wow, too scary. That is a bummer. So then how old were you when you saw it for the first time?

Josh 18:17

Uh probably early 20s. Um and I was I I was trying to get some of those cinematic experiences that I knew I had missed. The very first non-PG movie that I watched was Jurassic Park. And uh When it came out? When it came out, oh yeah. Yeah, I was I was 10 or 11.

Pamela 18:36

I saw that in the theater.

Josh 18:38

Yeah, yeah. We rented it from Blockbuster and watched it at home. And uh I remember my parents sitting on either side of me and like constantly being like, Are you okay? Is this okay? Like, how do you feel about this? I was like, Y'all, just let me watch the dinosaurs.

Pamela 18:55

Like that was the movie that I remember we went to as a family. It's the first and last movie I remember going to the the theater with my parents. Yeah. Well, I mean, it's not a bad one.

Josh 19:09

Yeah, it holds up.

Pamela 19:11

It was yeah, we actually were just watching it the other like last weekend. Yeah, it was on TV. We're like, holy crap, like this still looks really good.

Josh 19:18

Yeah, yeah. And I was blowing my son's mind because I was explaining to him that that this T-Rex is not CGI, like this is all animatronic, and you know, the reason why it looks so good and holds up so well is because it's real puppeteering, like it's just a massive beast that they manufactured, and you know, it they're I love that movie and could riff for days about how I think it was formative for a lot of what came after it, and now they've just lost their way with the Jurassic World series, and it's fine.

Pamela 19:50

Yeah, but after Lost World or whatever, the the most I I did like the one with Bryce Bryce Dallas Howard.

Josh 19:57

Yeah, that was the first I think that was the first Jurassic World, and yeah, it was but after that I was done.

Mike 20:02

I'm like, yeah, you know, I think that there's a lot of pressure on on Hollywood studios these days to to manufacture franchises, and I think that's why we see stuff like that. You know, I think that Jurassic World actually started out okay, but but but because it started out okay and because it did so well the first time, then they're like, all right, now we gotta just keep going with this. And that's what you see them doing now, right? They did the trilogy, that Jurassic World trilogy, and now they're starting over again. They've got Scarlett Johansson in a movie. I'm sure that the intent there is to do a couple of more. Yeah. So yeah. I mean, you see that with Ghostbusters too. Ghostbusters, I think, is one of the one of the best eighties movies of all time. If I mean it's so high on my list, it's one of my all-time favorites because it just it had everything. It had it had 80s comedy, right? There's something distinctly unique about 80s comedy. Um but it also had like the the filmmakers, like the people who actually, you know, came up with Ghostbusters, you know, so Dan Aykroyd, right? And uh he like they were so into the material that they wrote a great script. Right. And so that the script is good, like the story, like the the spooky story is really good. The comedy is really good. Um, that's such a that's such a great movie. And because it was so good and it was so successful and so memorable, that you know, naturally a sequel came out, you know, like a handful of years later. That was, you know, eh. Um, and then there's all this pressure to, you know, let's let's let's redo that, let's redo it. And they they they rebooted it in 2016 with the ladies, uh, which I actually enjoyed. I loved it. I we watched it. We just watched our families just watched it.

Josh 21:37

Uh Halloween?

Pamela 21:38

Yeah, it was uh it was one of the Halloween themed movies that we watched. I loved it. I love Melissa McCarthy and Chrissy Wig and all uh all four of those ladies.

Mike 21:48

They are so they're so good. They're I mean they're they're wonderful comedians. The movie took a lot of heat online. There were people that just didn't like it. And uh I I think and it was split into a couple of camps. It was the people who were really dedicated to the original Ghostbusters film and wanted to see that continue with the original people, but then there's also that whole element of hey, quit trying to redo these movies with all ladies, stop it. Like there's a whole segment of people that just have an issue with that, which is unfortunate because those all four of those ladies are some of the best comedian.

Pamela 22:18

Absolutely. I mean, they they that was the the best cast to redo that and like yeah, I I loved it. And and didn't they have they had throwbacks to the to the OG?

Mike 22:32

Like of course, yeah. And it was yeah, they did. They don't have to be great anymore, they just have to be profitable, right? And that's that's that's what you're seeing is you're seeing people taking these really great films and then turning them into franchises, finding a way to make these movies to where they're not super expensive and they can crank out a handful of them without you know breaking the bank. There's a lot less pressure on them to make that you know billion-dollar payday like all those Marvel movies have to make, right? Right. Um, and and then then they've got themselves a really inexpensive franchise. Yeah. So it works in some cases, it doesn't in others, you know, it just is what it is.

Josh 23:08

I think kind of what we're talking about here is a lot of the way the just the artistic medium of of filmmaking has shifted too. And and like so many things artistic, it there's there's usually a pretty substantial shift in the output of something artistic as soon as money becomes involved. As soon as the main goal is to be profitable instead of to just make something that's great art, it it fundamentally shifts some of the processes and intent of just the artistic process. And for somebody like me who like I'm I've never really tried to be super involved in the TV and film world professionally, like I I I have a lot of those skills, but it's so saturated, there's not a lot of money in it, you know. Even even with my experience, I'd be starting at the bottom. Like I I would have to really climb um to try and make any sort of reasonable money. And so it's not really a viable option for me. But like when I think about the the stuff that I would be interested in making, it's not anything that people are very interested in anymore. Like, you know, there I could rattle off, you know, a half a dozen indie films that were made for less than half a million dollars that I think are great movies that most people haven't heard of, but they they were done with such an artistic purity that I think is is largely gone. And that's a bummer because there there were some really incredible movies for made for less than 10 million because studios weren't to the point yet where they were trying to only get a massive ROI, they were just trying to create things that people were gonna enjoy. Like I I heard uh I was listening to Matt Damon talk uh on on some sort of interview podcast. Matt Damon. I was listening to him talking about it. I hope people get that joke. Yeah, like literally four percent of our audience will, and it's fine. Uh but I was listening to him talk, and and the the interviewer was asking him about some of his favorite films to make, and one of the films he brought up is one of my favorite movies of all time, and it's goodwill hunting. And I mean, just incredible from top to bottom, and and he was talking about how wonderful it was to work with Robin Williams and all of that, but more than that, he started talking about how Goodwill Hunting as a film would never be made today because it it was not necessarily like this huge blockbuster event, it was actually made for like less than 50 million dollars. In fact, I think it was a lot less. Yeah. And and his whole point was studios just aren't as interested in that kind of content anymore. It's a lot harder to motivate.

Mike 25:52

Oh, it absolutely, especially now, right? I mean, with with the whole drive for franchises and you know, they want the big bucks. I understand money, money drives things, right? I I get it. Um but even even Goodwill hunting, it's a great example. That that one was very difficult to push across the finish line as well. They they really had to struggle to get that one made. Um, I think the reason it got made, actually, was because I and I I could be wrong here, but I think that I think that Matt Damon and Ben Affleck were connected to Kevin Smith because of his his success with you know clerks and and the movies that he was doing after clerks. Uh like not necessarily mall rats, that one was pretty rough, but uh Chasing Amy did really, really well. I think that Kevin Smith uh sort of leveraged some of his contacts and his influence to get that made. So even back then, they were really reluctant to do something that wasn't gonna be uh, you know, uh like a straight up home run. Which is unfortunate. And it's unfortunate. Right. Well, because I think that those movies, I I think that I think movie is art. Like even goofy films that I I feel are a form of art. Step brothers is art, buddy. It's art. Hey, I I would agree with you. I like there's plenty of movies that are really sort of off that I would say are art. Like most anything by the Cohen brothers, for example. I don't know if you've ever seen The Big Lebowski. That's one of my favorite movies, and it's just out there. But I like it. Tarantino. Tarantino is a lot of people.

Pamela 27:22

Everything Tarantino does is art.

Mike 27:23

Definitely, definitely. Uh Tarantino, he's bankable though. I mean, if he's gonna put something out, like studios are gonna, uh they're not gonna give him any pushback. The guy has proven to make them money. But um, you know, the the weirder movies, the the sort of you know, off-beat films, uh, the more artistic ones, they they have a lot more of a struggle to kind of you know push their their projects across the finish line. And I think that that's what makes the digital revolution so important and the ability for you know people like you to do podcasts and get your stuff out there. I think that self-publishing is gonna become very important. We're seeing less seats in movie theaters these days, which is kind of sad. You know, I'm I'm I don't like that. I love the experience of going to a movie theater. I used to work at movie theaters when I, you know, worked part-time when I was a teenager. I loved that. So I hate that that experience is at risk, but I think that the digital revolution means that more people can get their stuff out there. You know, they there's a there's less of a dependency on the big studios to to green light something.

Pamela 28:26

So what do you what do you mean by digital revolution? Like like what is that what do you mean by that?

Mike 28:32

Well, I just mean that I mean a ver there's a variety of different I guess different definitions by digital revolution, but the the fact that technology has evolved so much that we are so much more significantly empowered now than we were back then. It it really enables us to do a lot of things that we really couldn't do before without having lots of money and lots of people behind us, right? You mean like YouTube or like I mean all kinds of things. Um so when I say digital revolution, it's it's it's the way that digital technology or computer technology has evolved to empower us in so many ways. Um so when we're talking about film, uh definitely uh things like YouTube, self-publishing, that sort of thing, right? I mean, you can uh the like you can buy a camera that produces you know high digital quality for an affordable price. I mean, still pretty expensive, right? But you know, you don't you don't you don't need to spend you know five or six figures on a camera to to have you know theater quality imagery. I mean, you can actually go to Best Buy. Yeah, well, yeah, yeah. You can even use your phone in a lot of cases. You can and then you know you can process the the the images on your own device, your laptop, and and make them look more film like, look make make them actually look like 35 millimeter film. So there's a number of ways to to get to get the effect that you're looking for with. without having to have a ton of money and a ton of people behind you. And that is a a direct consequence of evolving technology.

Josh 30:09

Yeah.

unknown 30:10

Yeah.

Mike 30:10

So I I'd see that that applies to film, but it applies in a variety of other ways, especially because of AI. As as AI has continued to evolve, you know, we're all really scared about what the, you know, what could happen there. But I see it as a very good thing. I see I see the evolution of AI as as being as important as the invention of the keyboard and mouse and the graphical user interface. Yeah. So if you want me to explain that I can't have a I actually have a really good explanation for why AI represents the evolution of technology from a computing standpoint that I think you'll get.

unknown 30:49

Okay.

Mike 30:50

Fire away.

Pamela 30:51

Yeah.

Mike 30:52

So computer technology has evolved in in ways that we can kind of put our fingers on. And when we when we sit down and think about some of the ways that computer technology has evolved we can we can relate to it in such a way that we can then take that experience and apply it to AI and say, okay, well maybe AI's really really good for us and and we need to think about it in a different way. So so think about the evolution of the keyboard and and mouse and the graphical user interface. If you were doing computing in you know the early 90s let's say and you got your grandma a computer and your grandma says look I need you to come on over and show me how to delete a file and she's got Microsoft DOS on your machine and you're like okay well you have to open up to the C prompt and then you cd space to the name of the folder and then you do a DIR star dot star to list out all the files and then you find the one that you want and then you hit D E L space and the name of the file dot exe and hit enter and that'll delete the file. Your grandma's like what the hell are you even talking about?

Pamela 31:58

Yeah.

Mike 31:58

What are you what are you talking? I can't do any of that. Get over here and delete the file for me. But then you know then Microsoft starts to steal ideas from Apple and comes up with Microsoft Windows and you say okay grandma I got an idea instead of doing all that stuff before we're going to install Windows and then what you do is just open up this folder and it shows you a list of the files and you just take your mouse and you drag it over to the trash can you drop that in there and then the files deleted and grandma's like awesome why didn't you just say that in the first place right well the mouse is what made that possible the the the evolution of the software you know the graphical user interface made that possible what AI is is it's really not that different right I I mean artificial intelligence has been around in in just very basic levels for a very long time and so has machine learning. What's different is machine learning has become so efficient that we're able to learn from a lot more data a lot faster. Yeah and we're able to leverage that because of the advancements in natural language processing. It means we're able to take all of the stuff that machines are now trained to do and then use natural language to instruct them to do it. And what that really means is we've massively broadened the scope of who can do things efficiently in computing and that's a really really good thing. Yeah it comes though with a lot of problems and people are very quick to point those problems out and identify those problems as why we need to slow down on AI and and not embrace it the way that we are but that is not the way to go. As computer technology has evolved right we've seen the internet become this consumer driven entity and it's used by a lot more people. You know now our computers are not just these things that we plug into the wall to power them up. Now we plug them into the wall and we plug them into this global network right and that exposes us to a lot more things than we weren't that we weren't exposed to before and things start to happen. Like we start to have people trying to hack into our machines and now we have to install antivirus software. Like we we don't look at the internet and go, oh my gosh, this exposes us to a lot more dangers so turn off the internet. Let's not embrace the internet we don't do that. We go okay let's let's look at what's happening let's recognize that you know there are as as technology has involved has evolved it's given more people the ability to do bad things let's identify what those bad things are and create countermeasures and protect us from those bad things or establish laws to prevent those bad things from happening you know I mean I once ran a bulletin board system when I was a kid. So I was 18 years old I had like 10 incoming telephone lines into my house. I was a really cool kid as you can hear and and I ran a this bulletin board system that was the way to go online before the internet was a thing. And and it caught fire with all the nerds in town and they all like would log in and they would have fun and chat. Well I had this one kid who was a real creep and I I booted him off the board because he was you know being nasty or something. I don't even remember and he didn't like that. So he began to sign up on the board repeatedly you know filling out the the new user sign up form using all this you know profanity and threats and he was going to kill me and all this stuff. I called the police police show up and they're like we don't know what the hell to do with this what the hell is that I mean like they back then they had no idea what to do. Right. But now we know we know that you know threats that are distributed online are threats no matter what and and there are laws against that like we've evolved as technology has evolved we've evolved and we've created these countermeasures and and laws to protect us. So right now as AI evolves we see like AI slop and people you know claiming copyright and like oh you can't do that you can't do this you can't use my image and and and all of those are really legitimate but it doesn't mean drop AI and not use it. It means continue to embrace AI and continue to push it forward because it really does empower significantly more people which is a good thing. Just look at what the bad guys are doing and try to counter that counter that with software counter that with you know a variety of different countermeasures or establish laws to prevent it.

Pamela 36:17

I I think I I always fall back to AI is a tool it's a tool just like anything else like like the internet is a tool to get information. Like I just I that's just how my perspective of AI is is it's it's a tool to help us do things faster more efficiently you know optimize I use it all the time um you know when I write Substack pieces to help me you know it's like I I have the words I just can't like there's just certain ways that I want to express or you know um build emotion in some of my Substack pieces and and it just helps me I use it as a tool to help me with the thoughts that I have they're my thoughts it just helps me build that narrative in a way that I'm looking to you know whatever it is that I'm I'm looking to explain it.

Mike 37:12

It can bring clarity to that yeah yeah it is it is a it is a tool it is but it is also represent it's a it's a major milestone it's representative of another major milestone in in computing it's it's just like the the mouse in the graphical user interface enabled grandma to you know delete her files when she wanted to right this is taking you know people who maybe just didn't have the aptitude to do certain things and and it's enabling them to do them now which you know doesn't always produce the best results but it is going to get that technology in front of people who probably wouldn't have had it otherwise and I think that that's a very good thing. I think it just it's just enabling more people and it's taking the people who are already have a really good solid foundation in computing and it's enabling them to be significantly more efficient. It's I mean it's driving like measurable efficiency. I mean significant improvements really I so I program for a living right I write software and one of the advantages to you know generative AI and natural language program or natural language processing is that I can very easily without having to code anything I can stand up agents that can look at the code that I write and adopt my style and my frameworks and I can have it do some of the remedial work that I don't want to do. So I'll go, hey, go create this factory over here and I'll be over here doing this thing and it'll run and do its thing. It's it's amazing what you can do.

Josh 38:46

One of the things that I read recently that I had a cool experience with just in my own life is that you know AI in general gives a normal consumer an opportunity to become quite a bit more well versed in like just the way that things work in a way that will help prevent a lot of fraud and dishonesty. And the example that the article gave was if you are somebody that doesn't know anything about cars, but you know your car has a problem, you can ask your AI model of choice, uh ChatGBT or whatever, you can ask chat about hey I'm I'm experiencing this issue with my car. What are some possible things that could be wrong here? And it gives you some tools to actually bring into the mechanic when it's time to go and have that conversation. I had this exact experience in my own life a handful of months ago we were having ongoing issues with our air conditioning system and I had a very loose high level knowledge of how HVAC systems work. I am in no way a you're not HVAC certified I'm really not yeah but I'm the only one who's not how embarrassing I know it's you know I'm I'm working on it guys but the but the issue that we kept having finally I was like okay I think I sort of understand this but then I just plugged it all into ChatGPT and I was like here's the issue that I I think is happening here is how our system is set up can you explain to me how this works and help me talk to the technician when he arrives and I mean within five minutes I knew exactly how this whole thing worked. I knew exactly what the terminology was and so when the technician arrives I'm now talking to this technician using terminology that's going to be familiar to them talking about parts that I know are what we're talking about. And it helped us get to a resolution so much faster just because I could walk in with operational knowledge of what was happening and it gave this technician the sense of like okay this guy's done his homework so I'm not going to try and pull something stupid.

Pamela 40:52

But I think that also requires a certain level of critical thinking skills. Oh yeah I agree you know because you could have done all of this work through chat GPT and gone through gone to this guy and said a bunch of stuff and he's looking at you like did you chat GPT that like do you even know what you're talking about? That's fair.

Mike 41:10

That's fair. Sure. Yeah and you know there's there's another side of that to to consider um it comes up a lot it comes up a lot in in my community when we're talking about software development and software engineers discussing the merits of using these tools um professionally um one of the things I mean AI slop is a thing that can be applied to anything right I mean I think we see that term being used a lot when it comes to you know video. You know there's a lot of AI slop video.

Pamela 41:41

See I don't I'm not familiar with that term. What does that mean?

Josh 41:45

You know it's it's I don't even know if I can define it because it's so it's basically so I'll speak in terms of my own industry because I'm sure this exists I can see how this would absolutely exist in yours as well. But for for the creative media world AI slop is just content that has obviously been created through AI means that is either just horrible disinformation or at best terribly done content that doesn't serve any meaningful helpful purpose. And so like most not to get overly political but most of what you see on the White House uh social media channels at this point is almost AI slop. Like it's just garbage content being produced and and now we're seeing our current sitting president flying a fake airplane that's yeah dropping human feces on people in parades wearing a crown. Like like that's to me that's AI slop. Like that's just garbage media content produced for zero dollars um that is now gaining all this traction in part because of how lousy it is. And and so that's in in the media world that's how I see it is it's just garbage content being cranked out in mass by AI tools that is kind of flooding various flooding whatever industry or market or whatever to get to as many people as possible.

Mike 43:21

Okay yeah okay I can follow that yeah that's a great example too of AI slop. That's a perfect example um so so yeah AI slop exists in my industry as well in the programming industry there's nothing stopping someone from sitting down with any one of these generative AI tools that will take a natural language prompt and and they could sit down and say you know make me an application that does X, Y, and Z. And it'll do its best to make that application in whatever platform or format you tell it. And then you go and run this application it might have some bugs. So you say fix that bug and it does it. It fixes the bug. All right now that I got two other problems here fix those two other bugs and it'll fix those bugs. And now the AI looks kind of or the the UI looks kind of mangled like make that pretty and it'll do that. And then now you've got what appears to be a good working application just from prompts. Yeah. Until you open up the code and look at how it was written and it's you know got security holes and you know you can log in without a password you know it's all all this stuff about it that you know it it looks good and it demos well and it it seems like it's functional but it's not of any decent quality that you can sell to anybody or deploy in a production environment or anything like that.

Josh 44:36

Yeah.

Mike 44:36

So you know so there's a lot of people who are like you know it shouldn't be used. It shouldn't be used because of that. And I understand how why they feel that way. I think what people need to understand is that they do need to get a good foundation on how these things work right like they need to understand how to make um you know animated videos. They need to understand how to make software so that they can go in and prompt it appropriately you know instead of saying make me an application understand what it takes to make that application and then use these tools instead to build the building blocks of that application a piece at a time which is where I think that AI tool and critical thinking skills comes into using AI and and using it um responsibly. Yeah there's a big risk right now because these AI tools are so effective that you know people are going to just bypass the learning cycle and just go right to you know AI prompts. And people are doing that and we're seeing not great stuff as a consequence and and that's inspiring people to say you know AI is just not that great. It's not what it's cracked up to be and I just don't believe that's true.

Pamela 45:45

I think that I don't know your haikus were pretty awesome.

Mike 45:48

No those are good you're right but no people people need to people need to take a step back and recognize that these tools are really really good and then understand what they need to do to to to use them appropriately responsibly and and effectively. Because seriously it's changed my life I mean I really do believe that I can produce really good software at a pace that's 10 times faster than my peers. And that's significant because there's there's a lot of pressure uh to write software a lot of it on the cheap right I mean they've tried they've been for decades they've how do we do that how do we write software quickly and on the cheap right and there's all these strategies for offshoring and and all the things that they're doing and it's like well this is a really good way to get tools in the hands of competent proven developers with great track records and have them produce software that's sound because they know how to produce good sound software yeah uh but quickly and knowing but like that whole thing though comes down to knowing what that looks like what that means like yeah you know that's the discernment piece of this and you know is like yeah I'm sure it can spit something out but can it actually do something?

Pamela 47:01

I don't know. Like you need that experience and that expertise to be able to say like this is good code or this is exactly like or knowing what holes it's missing or whatever. The reason I signed up for a chat GBT account years ago was because a friend of mine who does a lot more was because Chandler was creating haikus at work and so I was like what is this? That was my story. But anyway I'm sorry go ahead.

Josh 47:25

So no I I I had a friend who was doing a ton of uh uh 2D and 3D animation by the way yeah oh I'm sure and he was using After Effects to to do a lot of that and and within After Effects um there are these tools called scripts and so scripts are basically lines of code that will just automate a function that you're that you're animating within After Effects and he told me hey man ChatGBT can write After Effects scripts I was like no it can't like there's no way that they can do that. And so I was working on some 2D animation project this is forever ago and I was like okay I need to write a script for this I just I needed part of the animation just loop nonstop which is a relatively simple script. And so I remember just being like okay let's try this so I pulled up chat GPT and I just gave it some instructions and it spit out a line of code and I I just copied it and pasted it exactly as it was and I was like oh my god it worked and then I I just asked Chat GPT I was like what other things within After Effects can you help me with? And it just spit out this whole laundry list of things. A lot of it was scripts and kind of the more coding side of After Effects and some of it wasn't and so I remember at that moment going oh I get it. I get why this is going to be a good disruptor within a lot of spaces and why people who are already skilled in these environments can leverage this as a tool to do even more.

Pamela 48:49

Well right in on the business side so I'm not a developer I'm not in the creative space but like as on the business side of things it helps me think of all the things that I'm not thinking of you know like when I'm running when I'm when I've got a project going on and and I'm trying to think of like what am I not thinking about I'll ask as a project manager on a project like you know I'll give some context and it's like what am I not and it'll be like here are your decision points here are your action items here are your risks and your mitigation steps like all of those things like that's one thing that I lean heavily on Chat GPT for is again a tool to help me do what I'm already doing more efficiently or effectively.

Josh 49:38

I will say that there's there's a there's a scary point in my industry right now um that I don't think is going to be here forever but it it's it's frustrating in this exact moment. So literally this week we produced uh a hybrid event for a client of ours that it was a uh some in-person attendees and then about 1500 people online who were just streaming on a Microsoft Teams uh town hall and this is a major corporation worth an awful lot of money and I was talking to their director of communications who was my primary contact and he told me yeah we used um AI tools to generate like this backdrop that we had printed it did all the design for that we all the voiceover for every video we have is all AI voiceover and there were a couple of other use cases where I was just like kind of squirming a little bit because I was like okay but I know people real humans who do all those things for their job and there's a point in the creative media space we're at right now where even major corporations are like well we don't have to worry about going out and finding the right vendor we don't have to worry about whether or not it's going to fit within the budget of this project we just have all these tools at our disposal so we're just gonna reach for those first yeah and it's hard for me in the line of work that I'm in not to squirm a little bit in the face of some of that. So do you in your perspective like do you think that even that kind of thing is going to come to some sort of balance and we'll find our way through it or are we about to see the elimination of some of these roles?

Mike 51:21

Yeah that's a really good question.

Pamela 51:24

And this is just your opinion obviously like you're not predicting the future we're not hinging our you know future employment decisions like what are your what are your premeditated opinions on that um I do think it's gonna result in the elimination of of jobs.

Mike 51:45

Yeah I do um but yeah I I I don't see how it wouldn't if you can do if you can do more with less right it just stands to reason that people are just we're we're just not gonna need as many people doing the same things any anymore. It's gonna force people that the voiceover example the what say that again I said it's gonna force people to upskill it yeah I mean I it definitely will yeah um that that voiceover example is a really good a really good one actually um because I I spend I I shouldn't be admitting this but I feel like I I owe it to my wife to admit this but I spend a lot of time watching YouTube videos of um of uh police body cam footage uh because I just we're deep diving that in episode two episode two Mike Chandler is gonna be all about oh definitely definitely I have plenty to say about it I uh police body cam footage I think is one of the most important things that I think I've ever found it's it's completely changed my perspective on on law enforcement and have you seen that Netflix doc The Perfect Neighbor it's all pol police body cam footage the whole like I mean there's a couple scenes that aren't but like for the most part it's all body cam footage. Right. Yeah no I've seen that but I one of the things that I notice about this one channel that I I watch is um you know he summarizes what takes place at the beginning of the or what or what's about to take place he summarizes at the beginning of the video and then at the end of the video he he talks about you know what the charges were at the end of the at the end of the incident and he uses uh an AI voiceover effect for that um and he's been pretty consistent about it his channel's blown up over the over the years and he's got a lot of views now like he doesn't and and he's actually got a retired police officer who who comes on and does commentary as well but so he doesn't need to use it anymore but he does and it's because it's kind of consistent like you hear that voice and you know you're watching one of his videos and that's a really good example where AI has sort of eliminated what would have been you know some person's job. So I see definitely I think unfortunately that is a thing that's gonna happen. I I'm sure there's gonna be plenty of that in my industry. Right now people are very threatened by AI and not sure what to do because we in in software development we're not very disciplined about it. Like when I first discovered it um I vibe coded that that's a phrase I don't know if you've heard it but vibe coding is what they call it when you sit down and prompt your way through the engineering of of a software product. It's cool. Yeah I sat down and I vibe coded an application and like I didn't look at the source code at all right and deliberately I'm like I'm gonna see what I can get through and and I I vibe coded this application I put it in front of my friend who is a software engineer a very talented software engineer he was like blown away that it that it worked as well as it did. And he said that the the that because I was able to prompt it in such a way and and you know safeguard myself against you know certain security snags and stuff he said it was a working application but it was definitely very cluttered. It just wasn't good. Like you can it it's there's so because you can get to that state where you can actually produce a decent enough application there's still a lot of there there's a bit of a lack of discipline. So there's you know people of the mind of you know don't use it it's it's gonna distract you from you know writing good code and there's other people who are like look you really should be a good software engineer before you should even touch this stuff. So there's there's people are all over the place. So but but I think eventually people are going to get it and I think it's a it's gonna become it's gonna become more widely adopted and and then when it does I just can't imagine that we're gonna have as many software engineers out there getting jobs. I mean when you can do the volume that you can do and and so long as you're using it effectively you're doing you know you're producing really good outcomes I mean the only thing that I can think of that wouldn't that would prevent the industry from really cutting back on the number of engineers that they need is if we just need to produce a lot more software than ever. Right. You know maybe but otherwise yeah I just I don't see how it doesn't result in jobs being eliminated. Yeah which is but the answer that I always have which isn't a very good one is that we have seen this type of evolution exactly over over you know decades, right? I mean going back to the industrial revolution I'm sure there were people who were like interchangeable parts and factories what this is insane. You know why why would you do this? Like what the what's this going to do to us? I mean I feel like we've been having this argument as a civilization for so many years and we've been able to adapt and and and overcome.

Pamela 56:25

I think it is an evolution and I agree like I think that we do have a lot of fear but I think that fear is more of like how do we adapt to this like what does that evolution look like like we may we may not need software engineers or maybe we do but they're just skilled differently or maybe it's a different role that comes out of this that you know you're gonna start you're we will always need software engineers.

Mike 56:50

We will always need people and that was just an example responsible for it. Well yeah no I get it but but we'll we'll always need people who are responsible for producing software I think what is going to change is how we actually do that and and how we determine who's qualified to do it. And I I think that's what makes AI so important. You know I mean people who maybe didn't necessarily have the aptitude to learn a programming language but understand the concepts of programming like they understand you know certain subroutines like you know looping constructs like these things you know data input like these are things that make sense to people and they can articulate them. It's gonna change who becomes responsible for producing software and how they produce software but we're always going to need people to produce software.

Pamela 57:32

Yeah so I think it's gonna force a lot of people to upskill and then I think it's also going to force a lot of people to start looking broadly across relationships and more human skills, soft skills and and and how you know we're gonna there's going to be a huge focus on that as these kind of other kind I don't want to say menial skills, but some of these like skills start getting replaced by AI.

Mike 57:57

Yeah. Well there are certain skills that are never going to get replaced by AI and that's you know anything involving people serving other people right I there's like there's what's never going to go away real estate is never going to go away you're always going to need real estate you're always going to need land right so buy property I guess is that's that's what I would advise anybody who's afraid of the AI revolution have real estate questions in the DFW area at least but then you know serving people people serving people that's always going to be a need right and people don't like that people don't like to hear that customer service is ultimately going to be you know what what stays alive like but but that's important people need customer service sales yeah yeah and like honestly right now I'm focused on data you know like all the things that feed AI and what does you know how does that look and how does that work and you know garbage in garbage out like same thing with AI like you're feeding it crap you're gonna get some wild results.

Pamela 58:59

Right. Yeah so you know I've been kind of pushing that agenda if you will as far as like you know a lot of small businesses are you know to trying to figure out do we adopt AI? How do we do it? What does it look like? How do we use it? Can we afford it and all of those things and it's kind of like well you need to start from where you're at which is what data you have that you're going to be feeding into this whatever AI tool that you go with what does that look like like you got to get that you got to get your house in order before you're ready to bring AI in.

Josh 59:35

Yeah so okay we need to be yeah yeah well we we uh the sun has gone down since we have started talking it was bright outside and now there is nothing behind us. And I hate to do that because this is a really great conversation but we will have a follow up oh absolutely no we we we appreciate you hanging out with us and and you know this is it it's it's lovely to Be connected to another nerd. So thank you so much. Uh for for joining us. He is the nerdiest. That's why we let you know.

Mike 1:00:06

I'm up there for sure.

Josh 1:00:07

Yeah, he's writing haikus with AI tools.

Pamela 1:00:10

Oh, I'm telling you, like, I legit did not understand how chat GPT worked. Like, I didn't really I thought he was writing this stuff.

Josh 1:00:19

Oh, wow.

Pamela 1:00:19

Like I was blown away. And then he's like, oh, it's this chat GPT thing, which like they had just land, like just launched.

Mike 1:00:26

Yeah. Yeah, it was pretty new.

Pamela 1:00:28

Yeah, you yeah, you were one of the early adopters, and then I was putting it to good use, by the way.

Mike 1:00:33

I was writing exactly. It was hilarious.

Pamela 1:00:36

That's what it's for. Yeah. They were they were exceptional.

Josh 1:00:40

Yeah, we so um uh the Pamela and I and Josh and Krista um all have a group chat, and every now and again we will uh I know we're we'll drop into chat GPT like help me say that I'm heading home from the grocery store in the style of an 18th century explorer. And so, and it'll spit out like this perfect, like straight out of a movie dialogue of you know exactly what's going on.

Pamela 1:01:10

I've been foraging. Right.

Josh 1:01:12

Yeah, I am henceforth heading to the homestead with provisions aplenty. Like it's so great. Um, yeah.

Mike 1:01:20

See, I I love stuff like that. Yeah, we're really using it well. We're using it well. I know that's the funny thing.

Pamela 1:01:25

Like, I spent an embarrassing popping up, like, thanks.

Mike 1:01:29

God, seriously, yeah. Like, I'm like, wow, I'm how much how much water did I just uh take up? Yeah, how much energy did I just just burn so I could write my awesome haiku? Yeah, I actually ended up spending like an embarrassing amount of time writing a Teams plugin that would allow me to say, you know, slash haiku, write a haiku about such and such things, so that it would then spit out the haiku and then I could paste it into Teams. Um I mean, it was like a couple of hours. That's amazing. But to me, it's amazing. That is amazing, quite quite funny and entertaining, so worth the effort.

Josh 1:02:00

Well, thank you so much for joining us. Uh, I'm I'm thrilled to finally have spent a little time with you uh in this kind of environment. And uh yeah, so we will certainly have the great Mike Chandler back on with us to discuss more film AI topics among many other things, I'm sure.

Pamela 1:02:17

Yeah, um, but yeah, we will We didn't hit the bangers like Salesforce and TDX and there's so much meat on the bone. Oh, there's so much more. There's so much meat. Do you want to put do you want to plug to anything that you're working on now?

Mike 1:02:31

And I'm trying to get inspired to put something back together again, especially because of all the AI stuff. I just I really feel like the AI stuff is a big deal. Yeah, and I want I feel like I have a different perspective on it, and I just want to kind of get that out there. So I'm trying to come up with something that I can put on YouTube that'll let me share some of my findings. Um I just don't quite have that together yet. When I do, you'll be the first to know.

Josh 1:02:57

Awesome. Awesome. Well, thanks so much for joining us, man, and thanks for joining us, all of you, um, for a pretty fascinating and wide-ranging episode of premeditated opinions. And as always, uh, we'll be back in your ears next week, and we're so grateful for y'all spending your time with us. Um please uh give this episode a like if you enjoyed it, share it with somebody, stick it on your social media, social media channels. Um, if you're watching on YouTube, feel free to drop comments, hit the subscribe button.

Pamela 1:03:25

Please, we want to hear what you what you guys think about AI and the future and digital revolution and AI slop and all the things that we learned about today.

Josh 1:03:34

Exactly. We want we want you to put your comments in so that Mike can come in behind those comments and tell you all the reasons why you're wrong. Uh right. That's that's plan A. Uh perfect. So anyway, thank you so much for joining us and we'll see you next week.

Pamela 1:03:48

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Josh 1:04:12

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