Pamela: 0:00

Before we dive in, this episode is sponsored by Dice, Creators of Bad Choices, the game we're about to embarrass ourselves with in this episode.

Josh: 0:07

That's awesome. They've hooked us up with a unique link to their full collection of party games that we actually enjoy. If you want to play along or cause chaos at your next gathering, use the link in the description. It supports us and gives you something fun to do with your friends. Are there therapists who are sleeping with their patients? Like, is this a thing? Is this happening? Like, I don't know. Uh I just thought that was a the listener should Google. If you're sleeping with your therapist, let us know in the comments. Um We definitely want that story.

Pamela: 0:53

You're listening to premeditated opinions because yes, we thought about it, and then we said it anyway. I'm Pamela.

Josh: 1:00

And I'm Josh, and we are two people who somehow share a brain and decided to weaponize our brains with microphones. Each week, we unpack anything, from politics and religion to carpool dread and everything in between.

Pamela: 1:13

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Josh: 1:21

We are not experts. We are just way too confident in our own opinions. With all that being said, let's get started. Well, welcome back to Premeditated Opinions, a special episode of Premeditated Opinions, because we're gonna do something a little wacky. Um, so we said in our last episode that we just think the world is heavy, and we think that there is there's always something to be scared about, to kind of work up our insecurities, our our our fears. And so we wanted to do something that just felt fun and lighthearted and a good time. And one of the things that our families, both of our families, really enjoy, is a good game. Um and especially with uh the development of games like Cards Against Humanity and Exploding Kittens and some of these really popular ones, um, we have kind of been deep diving the selections of card-based games. And boy, we have we've talked about it a little bit before, but we have just laughed until our stomachs hurt so many times in your living room.

Pamela: 2:27

Yeah, so so we've done Cards Against Humanity with expansion packs.

Josh: 2:32

Like all of them.

Pamela: 2:33

Yeah. Um What Do You Meme?

Josh: 2:36

Yep, great one.

Pamela: 2:37

Uh New Phone, who dis and Terrible Therapist. Horrible therapist.

Josh: 2:44

Horrible therapist, horrible therapist.

Pamela: 2:46

Okay, so we just played that one over the weekend and it was Oh my god, hilarious.

Josh: 2:51

It's got a couple extra steps than like cards against humanity, but I think it makes it better. Like it's it's so funny. And I feel like there was one more, the um it's that red box that was sitting there. Anyway, I I I know there was one more. I'm not sure we've even played it yet. That's what she said. That's what she said. Yep. Yep. So it's we have really deep dove the the card-based game scene. And and we're gonna continue that today. We have um, we purchased just before we started recording a game called Bad Choices. We have no idea what's in this box, really. We read a couple of the samples on the outside of the box and went, this looks cool. And so, and what I liked about it was it seems as though this game is a good conversation starter. So uh the the little tagline on the side of the box says the Have You Ever Party Game. And so the Have You Ever Party Game for finding out hilarious truths, secrets, and stories about your friends. So we're gonna play this together a little bit, and then what I'd love to do, and you know, we'll figure out how to do this uh down the road, but it could be a cool way to even end some future episodes when we have guests on.

Pamela: 4:05

Oh and things like that.

Josh: 4:06

But anyway, that's an idea I had sitting here in this moment.

Pamela: 4:08

So we can that's how most of our ideas come about.

Josh: 4:12

We can talk about it. But anyway, so we're not necessarily going to play by the rules of this game because it typically we're actually supposed to have three or more players. But um essentially what's going on here is there are prompt cards. So I'm opening the box now. Uh so in the instructions, the getting started just says the object of the game is to be the first player to discard all their cards. So we're not gonna mess with that right now because there's only two of us. Um but the gameplay is the player to the left of the last person to arrive begins the game. Well, it doesn't matter for us. They choose which one of their bad choice cards they want to use and which player they want to use it on.

Speaker 3: 4:52

Oh.

Josh: 4:52

The object of each turn is to ask a player a question that you think they will say yes to. If they say yes, you get to discard your card in the discard pile. If they say no, you must keep the card and try and use it again later.

Pamela: 5:05

Okay, so we're not doing any of that, we're just picking these at random.

Josh: 5:08

We're picking these at random and and we're just going to answer them and give as much context as we feel like we can put on the internet without it costing us job opportunities later in life. Uh so that's that's really what's going on here is we're gonna answer as as as detailed as possible, but also as honestly Yeah.

Pamela: 5:29

Okay, you know what?

Josh: 5:30

Let's just we're just gonna dive in. So uh I'll uh here, you draw for you draw a card first and ask me something. All right, do your worst.

Pamela: 5:38

Get ready. Oh, oh boy, I don't know if we can do this one. Have you uh right? Have you ever fooled around with someone on your parents' bed?

Josh: 5:53

No. Nope. I have not. Not on my parents' bed. Not if they're listening.

Pamela: 6:01

Okay.

Josh: 6:03

Not on my not on my parents' bed. No. I don't even have a story to go with that one. That never would have even crossed my mind. Like I would have been so scared to do anything like that. Mm-mm. No. It's okay. So let's do this one. Oh, well. Are you able to keep a secret? Depends. Depends on what?

Pamela: 6:24

Um, a lot of factors. Like, who's telling me the secret? Is it a child?

Speaker 3: 6:29

Sure.

Pamela: 6:30

Is it an adult?

Speaker 3: 6:31

Sure.

Pamela: 6:31

You know, what kind of secret is it? Is it illegal? Like, can I benefit?

Josh: 6:36

Can I Can I benefit?

Pamela: 6:42

I mean, for the most part, yeah, I can. Um Yeah. I mean, if it's important, sure. Like, and someone comes to me and and you know, is just kind of like, hey, uh, you know, I need to talk about something or I've got something on my mind, but I don't really want you know, it's going around or whatever, like, yeah, I can keep a secret.

Josh: 7:05

Yeah, I I believe that. Especially if it's like sort of a confidant style interaction. I I I believe that you could you could hold that down. So Okay.

Pamela: 7:15

All right, you're uh here we go. All right, I'm gonna go a little further back.

Speaker 3: 7:20

Sure, you're right.

Pamela: 7:22

Oh, could you have a long-term relationship with someone who has completely different political views than you?

Josh: 7:29

Oh gosh. Um, probably not. Like not not in this era of politics. I I think I think if we were talking about political eras from, you know, 40-50 years ago when there was so much less polarization and so much more um I mean, almost not maybe crossover is the right word. That could be the wrong word, but like I I'm thinking about sort of the the John McCain eras of the Republican Party and like the early George Bush era, like HW and where where like I I I'm not necessarily seeing eye to eye with the policy decisions, but there was this mentality of we're still kind of all in this together.

Pamela: 8:15

Yeah.

Josh: 8:16

And to me, that ship has sailed. And so at least as far as the current administration is concerned, and and I I I don't know, it it at this point in my life and at this point in sort of uh our political history, I just not the same.

Pamela: 8:36

It's not it's it's it's not it's more fundamental. Yes, and and and values and yeah. Anyway, okay, we didn't want to talk about politics. Jesus, moving on. Oh god.

Josh: 8:57

Okay. Have you ever puked and rallied?

Pamela: 9:01

Yeah, in the steak and shake parking lot.

Josh: 9:03

Yeah.

Pamela: 9:06

Oh, I'm so sorry, Stony Brook Steak and Shake parking lot. Like a couple times. You've you've been the bearer of my bad news. My bad, my bad choices and my bad decisions. Yeah. Yeah.

Josh: 9:20

But you you got right back on the horse and just kept.

Pamela: 9:22

Yeah, but never again will I drink Irish whiskey. Never. Yeah. Never again. That's fine. Sorry. Yeah.

Josh: 9:30

All right, what else we got? Yeah. Sorry, we're having to discard some of these. If you're not watching us on YouTube, brief silences while we discard some of these that have words that we can't say on.

Pamela: 9:42

Okay, okay. Have you ever run into a former lover and not remembered their name?

Josh: 9:48

Oh no. I I no. Uh the the exes that I have are were all so early in my life that I was pretty connected to them. Like we got married so young, and I the the exes I do have are, you know, people that in some cases are people uh uh a couple of I'm still friends with, you know. And and so I just I wasn't the type that had just a a a long list of of people behind you know in my wake.

Pamela: 10:19

Um it was I was a relationship to relationship person.

Josh: 10:23

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I was too.

Pamela: 10:25

So wow, we're really boring. I know. Okay, let's get something good.

Josh: 10:29

Well, we're actually we're also skipping some of the really spicy ones that we pull up. Yeah. Uh can't say that. Uh yeah, I'm just gonna show this to you so you can react to it. But uh, yeah. So I so so for the ladies and gentlemen listening, so here's here's part of what's happening that that we're also editing out bits and pieces of is we're drawing cards that are too spicy for our our main feeds. YouTube and yes, we'll get flagged and in trouble. And and we don't want to do that. So what we're gonna do is we're gonna set aside some of these cards and we'll incorporate them into our tequila Tuesday premium content on Substack. Yes. And boy, that's gonna get it, it's it's gonna get wild.

Pamela: 11:14

You're gonna learn more than you want to see. Yes, you absolutely are.

Josh: 11:18

Yeah, yeah. Okay, this is a little weird, but I'm I'm fascinated. Would you eat a human meat burger for $5,000?

Pamela: 11:30

No.

Josh: 11:33

Me either.

Pamela: 11:34

Maybe, maybe $500 million.

Josh: 11:36

Right, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, but for five grand, maybe like that's that's just not anywhere near enough money for me to consider something.

Pamela: 11:42

I mean, we couldn't even go to Disney on that.

Josh: 11:45

I know. This isn't even Disney money.

Pamela: 11:46

And you want me to eat people?

Josh: 11:48

Right.

Pamela: 11:48

Like, I don't Do I know? Do I know it's human meat?

Josh: 11:52

That's a that's a good the card itself doesn't specify, but I would say yes.

Pamela: 12:00

And I just got done watching that whole Dahmer series.

Josh: 12:05

Yeah, so cannibalism's really on the brain. Yeah. Yeah.

Pamela: 12:09

That was part of my like Halloween festivities. Watching watching Dahmer. Would you cut off one of your ears for $500,000?

Josh: 12:24

Oh man, no. Because the uh I not for that amount of money, because I rely on my ears for music, music, and and as a source of income. I mean, even when I'm doing like technical work and things like that, the audio portions are still really important.

Pamela: 12:40

Yeah, but I feel like you could still hear.

Josh: 12:42

Yeah, maybe so, but it would impact like like you'd be surprised at how much the the the tissue of your ear actually matters to how much detail you can hear. Um, and so I I would do this, but not for half a million?

Pamela: 12:59

Yeah, that's a house, yeah.

Josh: 13:01

And I don't know, make it five million and I'm in. Because at five million, I don't have to work again.

Pamela: 13:07

Yeah, like that's true.

Josh: 13:08

That that that removes the liability. So I'm negotiable with that card. Like it's not a hard no, but that number's not gonna be enough. Um so yeah, because I I'm partial to my ears. Um uh okay, here we go. Uh for $200, would you tell a mother that their baby was ugly?

Pamela: 13:34

Probably. I can be savage. Do I like know this mother? Like, again, there's so many. This is the problem. We're like analysts, right? Exactly. We want the caveats here in the context. Like, sorry, I'm a I'm a business analyst. Like, I'm gonna I need all the information. Right. Uh yeah, I'd probably do it.

Josh: 13:57

Yeah, I probably would too.

Pamela: 13:59

Okay, I'm gonna ask this one. Do you think you're the most attractive person in the room?

Josh: 14:04

No.

Pamela: 14:04

Well, well, that was fast. Leah in here. Okay. Well, I did get complimented on my hair today. Exactly.

Josh: 14:16

Exactly, exactly. Um I I get compliments in our hair all the time. Um so um there is a swear word in this one, which I'm gonna bleep out just so YouTube doesn't get mad, but I am gonna use this card. So would you accept $100,000, but every time you go outside for the rest of your life, a bird shits on your head? I just wear a hat.

Pamela: 14:47

For the rest of your life, though. Nah.

Speaker 3: 14:54

No.

Pamela: 14:54

No. These numbers, these we need inflation numbers.

Josh: 14:59

Right. Are these 2025? Like, like it seems like these numbers are too low. Yeah.

Pamela: 15:05

I mean, like, we don't even play the Powerball unless it's 500 million or yeah, exactly.

Josh: 15:10

That's our running gag, is we only start playing the Powerball when it's worth our time at $500 million.

Pamela: 15:16

It's true, that $200 million.

Josh: 15:18

But also, even at $500 million, the cash payout's like $230 million or something like that. And then you're paying taxes on that. And so you're, you know, anyway, we don't need to do Powerball analysis um for you here, but but it's yeah, for $100,000. I I would do it, I would probably do it if I was permitted to walk outside in a hat every single time I walked outside.

Pamela: 15:39

But that's for the rest of your life. You're gonna get like 75 and still dealing with bird. Like, yeah, that's and you will have already spent that hundred grand.

Josh: 15:52

Like, I mean, I could spend it too.

Pamela: 15:54

No, no, mm-mm. Mm-mm. Okay, okay. Would you accept 500 grand per year? Oh, you have my attention, but randomly, once a year, a stranger will punch you in the face.

Josh: 16:08

Yes, all day, yes. Because I mean, odds are sometimes that stranger is going to be a sizable human being, but I'm also a sizable human being.

Pamela: 16:18

And so Do you get to punch back?

Josh: 16:21

I mean, honestly, I don't uh you know, for half a mil a year, I don't feel any.

Pamela: 16:24

No, no, no, no, no. Five sorry, did I say that wrong? Five thousand per year.

Josh: 16:30

Well, five thousand per year? Oh, nah. Eh, maybe. Like, if for so for five thousand a year, I like my odds of you know getting to getting to like absorb a punch from a random human. But uh also in the spirit of us asking the follow-up question, like, is this a large human being? Is this a martial arts trained human being? Like what, you know, there there's there's caveats, but I think overall, I'm a pretty big dude.

Pamela: 16:58

Like if you block it, right, exactly.

Josh: 17:00

Yeah, if I used my ninja skills and and just blocked it with my nunchucks, and and then it's not an issue.

Pamela: 17:10

You're like a work of it, and people are like, why do you have nunchucks in your belt? You're like, don't worry about it.

Josh: 17:16

Yeah, you don't need to know. No, that's fantastic. Yeah, I I think I'm I think I'm down, but it's mostly because I feel like my size works to my advantage.

Pamela: 17:26

So um right now you're just cheating.

Josh: 17:30

You yeah, I am because I keep pulling cards. Uh or cheating, you're cheating at the game that we just made up the rules for I'm cheating at the game that we are creating as we go. Yeah. Okay, so would you shave off your eyebrows for a thousand dollars?

Pamela: 17:52

Yes, because they're tattooed on.

Josh: 17:54

Mm-hmm. Yep. Yep. Yeah, that was I knew that was gonna be an easy yes from you because you'll shave them off, collect a grand, and in like three weeks they're back anyway, and you got the tattoos to cover for you. Pretty much. Okay. That was pretty easy.

Pamela: 18:09

Yep. Ooh. Would you keep working at your current job if you won a year's salary in the lottery?

Josh: 18:16

Yes. And and I would because the for starters, I I really enjoy what I do. Um and honestly, a year's salary, I mean that that would be that'd be a great little bump, you know, but that's not enough money to get me enticed away from working. Like that's you know, it we have plenty of real world expenses that I would immediately put those funds towards. And, you know, I I it would do some great things for us, but oh, I have I have no you'd probably just pay off a bunch of stuff.

Pamela: 18:50

That's exactly what I would do. And you're like, okay, so you're yeah.

Josh: 18:53

Yeah, and so and I just I love what I do. I love the business that I'm in. Um I love the the clients we get to work for, you know.

Pamela: 19:00

I'm maybe one day this will be our salary, right?

Josh: 19:02

Yeah, I mean that would be amazing. Yeah, yeah. Like and subscribe. Um plug. Yeah, exactly. But I I would definitely I I would definitely stay with what I'm doing. Um it's it's a lot of fun and I get to travel some and stuff like that. It's pretty great. Um, I'm gonna ask this, but I know the answer to this question, I just think it's an interesting prompt. If you were a therapist, would you sleep with your patients?

Pamela: 19:30

No.

Josh: 19:31

Exactly.

Pamela: 19:31

Why?

Josh: 19:32

Why? But it it's it's an interesting like the thing about this card though is it makes me wonder are there therapists who are sleeping with their patients? Like, is this a thing? Is this happening? Like, I don't know. Uh I just thought that was a the listener should Google. Yeah, if you're sleeping with the if you're sleeping with your therapist, let us know in the comments. Um that that would be we definitely want that story. And if you want to be an anonymous podcast guest and tell us this story, we can arrange that. Oh yeah.

Pamela: 20:07

I have so many questions.

Josh: 20:09

I do too.

Pamela: 20:10

Oh, okay. All right.

Josh: 20:11

Anyway, I just that that was too good not to ask.

Pamela: 20:14

I don't think, yeah, I don't know.

Josh: 20:15

I've never caught feelings from a therapist. I haven't either. Uh oh, and the last therapist I had was like a 66-year-old woman.

Pamela: 20:23

Ooh, have you ever said I love you and not heard it back?

Josh: 20:26

Yeah, yeah. It's a bummer. But you know, it was it was at a much earlier phase in my life. It's been quite a while.

Pamela: 20:34

But uh it was last week Krista was mad at me because I didn't put the dishes in the dishwasher the way that she wanted them, and I was like, I'm sorry, I love you.

Josh: 20:42

And she was just like, Yeah, that could be a documentary. Uh that's that's uh no, I am very grateful in that she does not uh withhold that language that that's you know not something that she does. But at the same time, she absolutely has ways that she prefers the dishwasher loaded. Oh god, don't our spouses are incredibly similar in that way, like, and we like to troll them. Um sometimes both of them at the same time. That's my favorite when we just can annoy both simultaneously. I feel like we're doing something.

Pamela: 21:16

Oh, I gotta tell you, hold on.

Josh: 21:18

Yeah.

Pamela: 21:19

So last week Josh was out of town, so I got stuck doing the dishes. Normally, depending on how long he's gone, I will let them rot until he gets back. But I decided I'm gonna do them.

Josh: 21:33

What a giver.

Pamela: 21:34

And when he got home, he was like, Who loaded this dishwasher? Our daughter did it. And he was like, Oh, well, this is really good. And I'm like, I'm like, can we rewind this back so I can record it on my phone?

Josh: 21:49

Right, yeah. I did it right, right? Amazing. Yeah, yeah. I so the the pet peeve in my house is like I am the kind of person who when the dishwasher is like 80% full, and if there's no like if it's at the end of the day, I'm gonna run that thing. Like I'm not gonna let the dishes sit in there overnight so that I can put it make it 100% full sometime the next day and then run it. And I will get chastised for that from time to time that I ran it before it was completely full. But it's like it's got all the stuff in it I'm gonna need tomorrow. And so I'm just gonna run it so that I have the things that I need to do, you know, all the do cooking and whatever. Uh and so that's that's where we kind of don't see eye to eye is uh and I will die on that hill, apparently. It hasn't caused divorce yet, but if there is divorce, that might be the reason.

Pamela: 22:42

So irreconcilable differences.

Josh: 22:48

Have you ever had your driver's license suspended?

Pamela: 22:52

No, I haven't had it suspended. Josh has when he was 16. Yeah. He lost it for six months. Yeah. Because he was racing his friends like an idiot teenager. Ah but no, I haven't had it suspended.

Josh: 23:08

So I have had my driver's license suspended. And and it's juicy. So I the the circumstances that got me there are actually very um uninteresting. But what happened as a result of having it suspended was kind of wild. So I had um I had some tickets aga I had some tickets in the state of Texas, and the state had just implemented a point system on your driver's license. So you get so many tickets um and you accrue points against your license. And depending on how many points you had, you had to pay additional fines over and above the the actual fine for the tickets.

Pamela: 23:44

I don't think Kentucky's got that. Yeah. I don't know if it's national.

Josh: 23:48

I don't think it's national, but okay, but basically what happened was I I was just unaware of these points that were getting stacked against my license because I didn't update the address on my driver's license. So I wasn't getting them sent to me, they were getting sent to a previous address. And I won't say where because it throws people under the bus, but uh basically the notices that were coming in the mail were getting thrown out. And I just didn't know that I had all these points against my license. Well, so I'm on my way to go see Krista while we're dating. And I it was it was kind of on the later side. Um and I'm on my way down to where she was living at the time. We lived about an hour and a uh an hour apart at this point in our relationship. And I got pulled over and the cop goes, uh, you know, license insurance, blah, blah, blah. So he goes, runs my license, and he comes back and he does the whole, sir, I need you to get out of the car.

Pamela: 24:43

And I was like, That's never a good sign.

Josh: 24:45

No. And then a second cop pulled up behind him, which is also never a good sign. If you haven't had either of these things happen to you before, if you if both of those things happen, you are about to get arrested. Let me just tell you that, like, as consumer advice, you're about to be arrested. So, yeah, I was driving with a suspended license. I had no idea that it was suspended. They arrested me. Oh, yeah, and so I went. I know. Um, and I wound up in the Ellis County jail um in Texas.

Pamela: 25:14

That sounds terrifying.

Josh: 25:16

And I had to spend the night there because you have to wait for a judge to post your your bail amount to where you can actually get out. And so, because it was the middle of the night, there was no judge, and so I had to spend the night and then the next one.

Pamela: 25:28

I would have been a mess.

Josh: 25:30

I was just and I'd have been oh, I was pissed, but but I also was intimidated and just like I I didn't know what I got myself into, and so I managed to wiggle my phone out of my pocket while because after they arrest you, they search your car. And so I have been arrested. I'm in the back of this squad car, and I managed this is in the days of flip phones, and I managed to wiggle my phone out of my pocket, and I I had Krista's number programmed on speed dial. And so I, if you held down the number two, it dialed Krista. And so I could do it by feel. So I held down the number two, and I I can't hold the phone up to my ear, but I I can kind of sort of hear her. And I was like, hey, you can hear me, but I can't hear you. I've just been arrested. I'm trying to figure out what was going on because I didn't know, even then, I didn't know why I'd been arrested. They didn't tell me until I was back, like at the station.

Pamela: 26:31

I've been like, just tell me you're running late. Like, Jesus. So I am need this elaborate tale.

Josh: 26:39

Right. And so I end up just spending the night in jail, seeing a judge the next day, and they post my bail them outs. A friend of mine drove down and bailed me out. Then I had to figure out where my car was because they tow it and impound it.

Pamela: 26:53

Oh geez.

Josh: 26:53

And it was a whole mess. It's the only time I've ever been arrested. Um, and the whole ordeal was less than 24 hours. I mean, it was probably less than 18 hours, really, but it was pretty scary for some 19-year-old. You know, so anyway, that's my driver's license suspended story. So pay your fines, people. Pay your fines.

Pamela: 27:14

Okay. I'm gonna say this one a little bit different because no one says pre-drinks. Have you ever turned up drunk to pre-game?

Josh: 27:23

Oh, have I pre-gamed the pre-game?

Pamela: 27:26

Yeah.

Josh: 27:27

A little. I've I've definitely pre-gamed before I met up with people to pre-game and arrived at the pregame going, whoo, I better Uber. Like I I haven't done that in a very long time. And it was where I was it was in seasons where I was much more invested in sports. And so I would, you know, crack open something while I'm watching a game before I watch the game I really care about. But then I sort of have a few drinks throughout the course of this sports game before the one I care about, and then yeah, it's you know.

Pamela: 28:04

I'm really bad about pre-gaming. I I don't know. I just I forget and then yeah.

Josh: 28:10

Well, I'll help you. Um teach me your way. I know your answer to this, but I'm gonna ask it anyway because I think it's a good prompt.

Pamela: 28:19

Okay.

Josh: 28:20

Do you get paid too much for what you do?

Pamela: 28:24

I don't get paid at all for what I do.

Josh: 28:29

But when you're like in consulting and stuff like that, when you're when you're doing like if you get brought on to do contract work for people or things like that, like do you feel like you are fairly compensated?

Pamela: 28:40

This is complicated for me because I have spent so much time feeling like I have to work harder. And I I think we talked about this with Krista. Like the whole money thing just makes me uncomfortable. Like I've never been good at negotiating, like I just for a long time, especially early in my career, it's like to be paid to do anything, like to me was just like a privilege. Um, and so I accepted some really low salaries pretty early in my career because I just didn't feel worthy. Like I I I just I felt like I had so much to learn and and so much experience that I needed to gain that I was surprised I was getting paid to do anything at all.

Speaker 3: 29:37

Yeah.

Pamela: 29:37

And then I don't know, it's always been a struggle. Um, it's still a struggle, even in consulting where it's just like I'm asking someone to pay me to for my experience and my expertise. And like, I don't know, it's just it's very just it's a hard thing to put a numerical value.

Josh: 30:00

On something that feels so personal. Like I'm I'm trying to especially like IP.

Pamela: 30:06

Like it's just yeah, I don't know. We kinda and we kind of talked about that with Krista with painting. Yeah. You know, when she started, she's like, how do I even know what to charge? Like, same.

Josh: 30:17

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Pamela: 30:18

Like I don't know.

Josh: 30:20

And that's where I have some advantage in that, you know, the industry that I'm in kind of determines some of those rates for me. And so, you know, I know what's on the high end and the low end, and I try and go for the high end. But um, you know, it's so I hear what you're saying.

Pamela: 30:34

Yeah, I mean, I have a little of that too, but it's difficult with how volatile the job market is right now, it it's really hard to tell like what people are willing to pay for certain things, and like um, especially in consulting when you've got bids and knowing like yeah, not not having a clue where you fall, yeah, within that.

Josh: 30:54

So that makes a lot of sense.

Pamela: 30:56

Yeah. I mean, I I can't say I've ever felt like I was paid too much.

Speaker 3: 31:02

Yeah.

Pamela: 31:02

Um, I've probably been paid too little, but I'm never gonna like complain about that. Yeah, like I don't know.

Josh: 31:09

Yeah, that's fair. It's weird. No, that's a really fair fair response.

Pamela: 31:12

Have you ever lied about your weight on your driver's license?

Josh: 31:18

Um no, I don't think so. I I I've never been in a position where, and this is I think this is a uniquely male um thing, but I've never been in a position where I felt an obligation or I felt any sort of stress about telling the truth about my weight. Like, and I know that that is not shared among all humans, and that there's plenty of people who are like, I am 110 pounds. Um, you know, but it's it's just not it doesn't um trigger my self-conscious mind.

Pamela: 31:52

Um I'm always like it depends. Where am I in my cycle? Right. Yeah, yeah. Like, did I eat a ton of Mexican last night? Like, where, yeah, where am I?

Josh: 32:04

Okay, no, that's that's fair.

Pamela: 32:05

Uh and I try to stick with a pretty um median number. Yeah, like not too high, not too low. I'm like, it's somewhere in there.

Josh: 32:15

Yeah, yeah. That that's yeah, uh a range is fair. Oh, this is interesting. Okay. Do you think that you will age well?

Pamela: 32:26

No.

Josh: 32:27

Really?

Pamela: 32:27

I'm white. We don't age well. No, that's fair.

Josh: 32:34

Yeah, it it all starts to unravel at some point.

Pamela: 32:38

No, I'm already starting to like I yeah.

Josh: 32:42

I've I like my odds of having a long life because uh when I look at my family history, there's a lot of octogenarians, people living into their 90s and stuff like that. Like, what what on you for your family? Like, do people tend to kind of live well into those later years, or is that not necessarily the trend?

Pamela: 33:08

Uh well, on my mom's side of the family, I'm not sure.

Josh: 33:11

Okay, yeah, that's fair. Yeah.

Pamela: 33:13

Um my dad's side of the family, I think we're held together with alcohol and cigarettes. Like, yeah.

Josh: 33:23

And you're just pickling yourselves from the inside. Pretty much.

Pamela: 33:27

So uh I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. We'll see.

Josh: 33:30

Yeah.

Pamela: 33:30

I mean, I do think that I everybody kind of pegs me for a little bit younger than I actually am, but I think it's just because I'm so immature. There's like, there's no way she could be in her 40s. Like, she acts like a ding dong.

Josh: 33:49

That's fair. Yeah. So I think I probably get the same treatment. Uh being bald ages me up a little bit. Um, and I'm starting to get like some silvers in my beard and all that, which I've Krista likes, you know. I I've heard that it works. Yeah. Um, but I uh I definitely think that I look probably my age and I act half my age. And and I never really think of myself as being 40. Like I think of myself as still being able to do all the same things I do in my state.

Pamela: 34:23

I'd peg you for like 38 or 39.

Josh: 34:25

Okay. Yeah, it's within range.

Pamela: 34:27

Yeah.

Josh: 34:27

Plus or minus a couple years. Yeah. But what you got?

Pamela: 34:33

Okay. I feel like I know the answer to this, but have you ever done a keg stand?

Josh: 34:39

Oh, no, I don't think so.

Pamela: 34:41

I I I've never understood the appeal of that.

Josh: 34:45

I haven't either. And and I no, I definitely haven't.

Pamela: 34:48

Like not shotgunning a being. Right, right, right.

Josh: 34:52

But literally getting your legs lifted and doing a keg stand. Like, that's that's that's a level of college partying that I didn't really do that much. Like, I for starters, I don't have a college degree. Like, I never finished my four-year degree, and I know I'm sitting at the table with somebody who has like nine degrees, but um, I I never finished my undergrad because and it's a long story for a different podcast episode, but basically, I had a wonderful job when I was in college and had to make some big life changes, and I needed that job more than I needed school. And so, and I'm way oversimplifying the whole thing, there's a lot more to it, but um I even the college that I went to was not really a party school. It was a very engineering heavy, very intellectual school, a lot of hyper nerds like me. And you know, I'm sure that stuff was going on, but I wasn't invited to it. Yeah, and and the experiences that I did have in college that were a little bit rowdy, they just it never really got to anything like that, you know.

Pamela: 35:55

I I had all my college party days after college. Yeah, yeah.

Josh: 35:59

Oh, I definitely went a little harder after college than I did in college. Um and a a little bit in high school, but not very much. Um sorry, dad. Uh I no, it was it high school was still pretty benign too. It was all pretty under control, but that that was I probably have my first drink my senior year in high school. It's junior year, probably my junior year in high school. But uh but now I'm just incriminated.

Pamela: 36:22

Okay, okay, okay. So what was your first drink and when?

Josh: 36:28

It was probably a smear-noff ice. My probably somewhere around my junior year in high school.

Pamela: 36:36

Yeah, same. Mine was um probably sophomore junior year, and we had gone to the movie theater and watched some movie in the middle of the day that no one was going to be in, and we sat in the back with a bottle of hot damn.

Josh: 36:55

I'm familiar with hot damn.

Pamela: 36:56

That's hilarious.

Josh: 36:58

Oh my goodness.

Pamela: 37:00

I like it was I'm like, what is so great about this? Like, I don't I don't get it, but yeah, that that's the earliest memory.

Josh: 37:08

But yeah, the smearing off ice, and then I had this hookup uh in high school, this guy who had an older sibling who would buy stuff for him. And that was my first time having like actual whiskeys, bourbons, things like that. And that was probably more my senior year in high school, but I was faking how much I liked it back then. Like I didn't actually like it at all, but I felt like I was supposed to. So I'd be like peer pressures. This is great, but I do remember my first real beer was a Budweiser in a bottle that was offered to me by the I I had been invited to hang out with these older guys that were all in a band, and they were trying to write some music, and they were they were bringing in other people to do like instrumentalist parts and things like that. And so I showed up to their rehearsal space, which was actually really nice and cool, and they were all a good bit older than me. Um, I was friends with a couple of guys in there, um I think from church, if I'm remembering correctly, but they had a fridge in their in their rehearsal space, just stocked with all sorts of beer and stuff, and they just offered me one, and and honestly in my head, I was like, yeah, sure, why not? Like and I think I had one, you know, but that was like my first real actual non-Smear Nov Ice beer.

Pamela: 38:25

Um and yeah, that I have a very interesting story with drinking underage that we'll get into later. But um, I would always I wasn't a fan of drinking because it actually hurt like it caused pain. Um, and I never understood until probably about a year or so later with a particular diagnosis.

Josh: 38:51

Oh yeah, yeah.

Pamela: 38:53

We'll get into that.

Josh: 38:54

Yeah, yeah, but that's a later episode, but but that's interesting.

Pamela: 38:58

Yeah.

Josh: 38:59

Okay, so would you date somebody who makes half as much money as you do?

Pamela: 39:06

If they're happy, yes.

Josh: 39:09

That's fair.

Pamela: 39:09

Yeah. So that was one thing um Josh and I talked about at length, you know, kind of throughout our marriage, was I don't want you to be killing yourself and stressed out at work for a paycheck. I want you to be doing something that you enjoy, something that you know you create that makes you happy or that you're happy with, um, and whatever that paycheck looks like, you know, that we'll work our lifestyle around that.

Speaker 3: 39:43

Right.

Pamela: 39:44

Um and yeah, because to me, being happy, you know, not and I'm not saying like, yes, he's work is stressful and and all that. It's not no stress, right? But it's I want you to enjoy what you're doing because you are there you know, more hours in the day than you are at home and all of that. So like I want you to enjoy what it is that you do, and you know, if that means that you don't make a lot, then you know, it's it's fine, we'll we'll figure it out. I mean, I didn't grow up in an affluent home. Like we we were pretty like lower middle class. Um, and you know, we I didn't have a lot, so I don't need a lot.

Speaker 3: 40:31

Yeah.

Pamela: 40:31

Um and luckily he's managed to find um a job that he really, really enjoys.

Josh: 40:38

And he's good at it. Like it's good at it. It's fun watching him do what he does.

Pamela: 40:43

Yeah, and and he's been getting quite a few raises here lately, so that's been nice.

Josh: 40:48

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, yeah. It's a shout out to Josh. Thanks for thanks for being cool. Yep. Um, I I I've never been terribly concerned about other people's income. Like I don't really but I don't care how much you know people make in general. I I care way more about just uh, you know, are you contributing to the world around you in meaningful ways? Are you bringing some good to the environment that you're in? And um I've gone through times in my life where money flowed and was abundant and you know there was extra all over the place and we could do cool, fun things w without really being concerned at all about the dollar amount. And then I've been in other seasons of life, um some some of these pretty recently, where you know, it was like you know, we we we just can't do some of the things that maybe we became accustomed to, and and you know, there's a a scaling back element, and and I've really had to figure out in my own life that that's not failure.

Pamela: 41:53

Yeah.

Josh: 41:53

Like and and that's something that that i even saying it out loud is is it it rolls off the tongue just fine. It's a whole different thing to actually believe it. Accept it. Yeah, and and so and that's you know, in some ways this year, that's the season that we've been in. It's like, you know, it just hasn't been it hasn't been that abundance, um, which is fine, and I'm not complaining. I still am very happy in what I'm doing. As far as what somebody else makes, I just I'm not that's not a a factor for me and in who I would partner myself with. Um I will own that I am I can be financially motivated. I I will own that for myself. Like I I do try and and bring in sufficient amounts of money and all of that, like that's a priority for me, but also sometimes it's just not available to me in the way that I want.

Speaker 3: 42:39

Yeah.

Josh: 42:39

And that's fine. But well, anyway, let's do all right. To bring us home, what you got?

Pamela: 42:45

Would you pose as a nude model for an art class?

Josh: 42:51

So per my last conversation, what does it pay? Like okay, it pays jury duty dollars. Oh, that's no dollars. Um I mean, like, I yes, I would I would also Would you volunteer or would you have to be asked? I I would need to be specifically invited and be like, we need a Nordic looking bald guy with a beard, you know, like I'd be like, okay, like I am your resident Viking, but it it's Would you have special requests?

Pamela: 43:31

Um The temperature needs to be.

Josh: 43:35

Oh yeah, there would be temperature requests. Uh yeah, I I I would need specific snacks.

Pamela: 43:41

Uh oh, do you get to pick the poses?

Josh: 43:47

I would want I would want like veto rights on the poses. Like I don't need to pick them, but I I would need the ability to be able to go, no, I'm not gonna do that.

Pamela: 43:57

You need to do some of the like JC Penney, like yeah, exactly.

Josh: 44:05

Like the what was it, the Owen Mills? Yes, yes, I I we for our next uh uh for our next podcast photo update, we should go get glamour shots and like find a studio that'll be.

Pamela: 44:19

Are those even still open?

Josh: 44:20

No, but we could find somewhere that'll yeah, but no, I I would if I was invited by people that I knew were gonna hold their laughter, then I would I I would probably say yes, but it would have to be a pretty specific set of circumstances. But but being being married to a wife that's a visual artist and you know she's participated in in stuff like that before, and like I if someone had a real like earnest artistic ask, like we want to do a non because most of the time in those character drawing classes it's females. And if someone if someone came to me genuinely, said we're trying to get outside that usual aesthetic, and I'd be like, you just want a hairy dude when okay. You know, I would under the right circumstances I'd be down, like because okay, you know, art is art, and I'll I'll participate in that way if someone is doing it not as a joke.

Pamela: 45:23

That was a whole journey. Yeah. We just went on for uh yes.

Josh: 45:28

Look, you can count on me to over-explain just about everything.

Pamela: 45:32

Um uh but yeah. That was that was a good last.

Josh: 45:36

Yeah, it was. That was that was a great way to wrap things up. Uh, once again, we're playing bad choices. Um, and if you decide to go out and buy this game, you will find quickly that we are skipping cards. Um, because we have to play this with people you trust. Yeah, play this with people that you want to that you don't have a problem getting real intimate with. But um, yeah, we've been skipping cards just to make sure that we're following the terms and conditions of the various distribution platforms we're on. But um, this is this is a great way to just shake things up. Um and this is a great idea that Pamela had. I don't want to take credit. Um this was this was her idea that I immediately kind of attached onto. So um, yeah, go buy it, play it with people that you're not scared to be really vulnerable with. Um, and yeah, uh, we will certainly do this again. Um, but as always, thank you for uh jumping in with us. Please like these videos, subscribe to the channels. Um, if you're on Apple Podcasts or Spotify, um be sure and hit the download button. You can actually set things up to download automatically on Apple Podcasts. Please do that. Um, those numbers help us in a big, big way. Yes, they do. Um, so anyway, thank you so much for joining us, and we'll be back in your ear holes with more ludicrous content like this uh in no time at all.

Pamela: 46:48

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Josh: 47:11

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