Pamela: 0:00

If you were broke and desperate, would you become a prostitute?

Josh: 0:07

I would be in such high demand that I I think it wouldn't make sense for me not to.

Pamela: 0:13

You do have a certain demographic. You're listening to premeditated opinions because yes, we thought about it, and then we said it anyway. I'm Pamela.

Josh: 0:32

And I'm Josh, and we are two people who somehow share a brain and decided to weaponize our brains with microphones. Each week, we unpack anything from politics and religion to carpool dread and everything in between.

Pamela: 0:45

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Josh: 0:53

We are not experts. We are just way too confident in our own opinions. With all that being said, let's get started. Hey everybody. Welcome to the second Tuesday in February. Um, we are excited to come back. We have Bad Choices with us. Um, a game that we have played before from Dice Games, but the card selection is quite massive. And so we basically just decided, hey, let's do this again and use some different cards this time. Um so and we just enjoy this and uh maybe they'll send us more free stuff.

Pamela: 1:25

Um use the affiliate link below. Right.

Josh: 1:27

Yeah, there is an affiliate link in the description, and we would not mind if you decided to use it. That would be really wonderful.

Pamela: 1:33

Um, so and if you're not big on supporting Amazon, but you are big on supporting us, you know, even though it does go through Amazon, you're still supporting us.

Josh: 1:45

Yeah, yeah. And look, Bezos has plenty of money. We should be able to have some.

Pamela: 1:50

Yeah, if you yeah, and maybe he'll let us ride on his yacht.

Josh: 1:54

Right. Uh I saw I saw this week that, and this is just a total this is bonus content for you, live and in real time, right now. Uh I saw this week that from from 2019 to now, Jeff Bezos' wealth has increased from like in the $30 billion range to like the $600 billion.

Pamela: 2:16

Oh, yeah, all of them. All of them. Zuckerberg, Elon, all of them have it's like it's it's a ludicrous amount of money.

Josh: 2:24

It's it's just it's a hilariously stupid amount of money. It's crazy.

Pamela: 2:29

It is by design.

Josh: 2:30

Yes, it is.

Pamela: 2:31

It's by design.

Josh: 2:32

So anyway, and then just to add more optimism and happiness um to our dialogue, I also read in The Economist this week that the new um median income for a middle class family in 2026 is now about $140,000 a year.

Pamela: 2:50

Whoa.

Josh: 2:50

And what they're basing that on is what middle class families could afford in the 80s, 90s, and early 2000s. So homeownership, expendable their their standards were homeownership, expendable income that allowed for vacations. Um, and like there was something I think three kids in c through college, not at the same time, but three kids through college.

Pamela: 3:12

And there were a couple other like measurable things, but yeah, $140,000 is the new median income for So when I started working, like everybody, like my high school years, my college years, everybody was all about get your bachelor's degree, get your getch bachelor's degree and make all this money and whatever. Um, and then by the time I finally got through that and started working, I mean, a bachelor's degree was basically the new associate's degree, and the master's degree was the new bachelor's. So it's like, okay, now go for your master's degree in order to kind of set yourself apart and get ahead. Now I was kind of hoping I'd be a little further along in my career where like the PhD is now like the new master's degree. Like, I don't want to go, I I don't not, I don't want to do that. Yeah, um, but it's it's getting to a point where how do we get ahead?

Josh: 4:04

Right, right. Absolutely.

Pamela: 4:05

You know, um, it it's someone okay, it's someone who took the college route. I know not everyone takes a college route, and I very much respect that. Um, it took me a while to realize like the business that is college.

Josh: 4:19

Oh, yeah.

Pamela: 4:20

And I was a little late to the game, but I grew up, you know, you go to college, like there was no question. Um, I'm pretty sure like I think it was like 96% of our graduating class was going to college.

Josh: 4:32

Yeah, that's high.

Pamela: 4:33

Or it was either college or military. Um, yeah, it was it was up there. It was it was definitely up in the 90s, upper 90s. Um but now it's just like now we're needing jobs that are that don't require degree trades and all of that. Like now, like there's such this push, push, push for our generation to go to college, and now it's almost like a push, push, push to have hairstylists and HVAC and electrician and all of that.

Josh: 5:05

So well, it's funny. Like, if I and I'm I'm sure I've said this to you before, but like if I was gonna actually start a business, just if I was gonna start any old business in North Texas, where we live, I would start an HVAC company. And there's already a million people. Oh, yeah. But but to start an HVAC company that would then be well marketed, well branded, you know, uh have their advertising game together, stuff like that. Like I can outmarket most of the other competitors. I don't actually know anything about the HVAC business, yeah, but I can bring on people that do. And man, I feel like that's the path to some pretty real wealth at this point is being involved in those trades you're talking about, the plumbers, the electricians, the HVAC guys, welding. Um Linemen. Lyman, yes.

Pamela: 5:51

So I think if we could if they if Texas ever got their stuff together to work on the the grid, I mean, linemen would be in high demand.

Josh: 6:03

Oh, absolutely.

Pamela: 6:04

Yeah.

Josh: 6:04

Uh well, I mean, they are now because our grid can't support every time there's an ice storm, we all go, I wonder if I'm gonna do it.

Pamela: 6:11

Data centers and all, like, okay, we can go down a rabbit hole, but we're gonna play bad choices.

Josh: 6:15

We are, and we're gonna stop giving weird not consumer advice. Um, but yes, we are gonna play bad choices, and I'm excited for it. And um we hadn't done this in a while. We haven't, and this is a good one, and I I remember laughing an awful lot, and I remember discarding a very thing because we are like we can't say that on the internet, um, at least not in the environments that we're currently in. Yeah. So um, we're playing bad choices. It's from Dice Games. You should pick it up. It's a lot of fun. Play with your friends, um, use our affiliate link. I'm gonna flip this lid over because that's our discard pile.

Pamela: 6:50

Um, so I go first because you went first last time.

Josh: 6:54

I went first last time. What a memory. That's remarkable. Go ahead. Uh okay.

Pamela: 6:58

Do we need to like pull up the episode?

Josh: 7:00

No, I trust you.

Pamela: 7:01

Okay. I've pretty sure I'm pretty sure you went first.

Josh: 7:03

I'm impressed.

Pamela: 7:05

Oh, okay. Here we go. You ready?

Josh: 7:07

I hope so.

Pamela: 7:08

Okay. Get your mind ready. Would you ever take life advice from a psychic? Yeah, I I uh have you ever no have you ever gone to a psychic?

Josh: 7:21

I've not gone to a psychic.

Pamela: 7:23

I've done a tarot-ish reading.

Josh: 7:25

Yeah, I I here's kind of my official position. I when it comes to psychics, tarot readings, things in that vein. I it I'll even kind of lump astrology in there a little bit. Um I think that they are interesting tools to help us ask new questions.

Pamela: 7:44

Okay.

Josh: 7:45

So would I take advice like like if if if a psychic said you should go do this thing, I'm not going to that's not going to be the only influential piece of my decision. I would take the the feedback into account.

Pamela: 8:01

Like if it what if she told you you need to play the Powerball tonight?

Josh: 8:06

Oh, I'll go, yeah, I go play the Powerball tonight. That's low stakes. Okay, okay. So low stakes, yes. Okay. I I would just blindly take the advice for the fun of it more than anything else. Okay. Like to be able to say, yeah, my psychic told me to play the Powerball. And so that's why I lost.

Pamela: 8:20

Um, but then But what if you won?

Josh: 8:23

But what if I but that would continue going to that psychic? You know, it would be interesting. Uh I but I like to approach things like that as just a a conduit to ask different questions and maybe experience some different perspectives and things like that. And I value all those things a lot. And so, yeah, I would I I would listen.

Pamela: 8:46

What about a medium? Like, would you do you would you lump a medium in that?

Josh: 8:50

Yeah, I think so. I think kind of anything sort of metaphysical uh would follow the colour.

Pamela: 8:55

Even though that one category that one, what's his name? Is it Tyler? The medium, Hollywood medium, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Josh: 9:02

Is his name Tyler? I don't remember that. I don't remember. Yeah, I know who you're talking about. You know what I'm talking about?

Pamela: 9:06

Yeah, they've actually done like brain studies on him. Anyway.

Josh: 9:10

Look, uh well, I okay, so at the risk of being way more philosophical than what any of you are asking for, the the I am a believer in there being elements of the world that we live in that we don't remotely understand.

Pamela: 9:27

Okay.

Josh: 9:28

And I think a lot of what we reach for when it comes to spirituality is to try and make sense of these things we don't understand. And there's a the very famous quote um from uh a roadie for ACDC, um, where and and the lots of people have quoted this before me. I'm in no way breaking this uh for the first time, but he said God is the name of the blanket we throw over mystery to give it shape. And I love that idea of like, you know, when when we're reaching for psychics, tarot cards, astrology, mediums, things like that. I think what we're really reaching for is some sort of explanation with something that we just don't understand. And a mystery. Yeah, we're we're trying to define that mystery in a way that that helps us make sense of it. And I can make a lot of space for that.

Pamela: 10:26

Yes.

Josh: 10:27

And, you know, you and I have talked at length about our own experiences in church and Christianity and things like that. And so I'm I even kind of lump a lot of that into this same category with tremendous respect and love to my clergy friends who a few of them listen. Um, but I think that we are always sort of reaching for things to help us make sense of things that are hard to understand.

Pamela: 10:48

Oh, yeah. I mean, even like therapy, for instance.

Josh: 10:51

Yeah.

Pamela: 10:52

When I've had an opportunity, like when when you're dealing with like a behavior or a thought pattern or something that is really just can be really frustrating or confusing, or you like you know it's a thing, but you don't you don't have the words to describe it. And when you get the words to describe it, it changes everything. Like when gaslighting came out.

Josh: 11:17

Yes.

Pamela: 11:18

Oh my gosh, like that form of manipulation, I would have never been able to really explain to somebody until I had a term for it. And it was kind of like a universally and just any of those things. Like I've shifted a lot of my um nomenclature, I guess. I don't like to use the word hate, like unless it's relevant, but I don't like to say or angry, like those are two words, you know. I I never say I'm angry, I say I'm frustrated because that's really what it is. I'm I'm frustrated because you know, something's not meeting my expectations. Like, I'm not mad about it, you know, like that just sounds ridiculous. But like if I can drill into that, you know, I like to be able to put names to feelings and behaviors and things to get a better grasp and to understand and to set to be able the next time I'm feeling this way, to be able to put a name to it. So I can very much um you know, I identify with what you're explaining because yeah, it's things are much easier to manage when we can put them into words.

Josh: 12:26

Yeah.

Pamela: 12:26

Well, and and and or be able to give them a name.

Josh: 12:30

Yes. And and I I work really hard in my own life to be good at words.

Pamela: 12:36

Like it well, that was not a great example.

Josh: 12:38

It wasn't. And it was very tongue-in-cheek and on purpose, but I do work at at like I I do words good. I want to do words good. I know all the words, I have the best words. Uh God. But I I do like I prioritize that I work at it. And I can't tell you how like revelatory it is when I've been struggling to give a framework to what I'm trying to communicate or or try and package it up in a way that's really gonna land for the person I'm talking to. And when I finally get those words, be it through a therapist, be it through a pastor, be it through other kind of spiritual practices or whatever, it's God, it's it's just a weight off your shoulders. When you can finally be like, no, this is the thing I've been trying to talk about. Um, so anyway, go to therapy, everybody. That's that's at the end of the day, what we're trying to say.

Pamela: 13:29

Wow, all this from the first card that and great conversation. Not where I think Dice Games thought it was gonna go. Like, sorry, y'all.

Josh: 13:38

Yeah, we're getting way more philosophical than Dice Games ever planned on. Um, this is funny.

Pamela: 13:44

Oh, God.

Josh: 13:44

Have you ever created a fake social media account to spy on somebody?

Pamela: 13:50

No.

Josh: 13:51

Okay, that doesn't sound like you to me. No, yeah, no, you'll spy with your full face.

Pamela: 13:56

Yeah. I mean, I have gone through I could probably be a PI and I've actually th considered it.

Josh: 14:03

Like you'd be real good at that.

Pamela: 14:05

I can put puzzle pieces together and figure out what people are doing and and all the things. Like I can I can find out more than you ever wanted me to know about you. And sometimes I've messed with people before, like with that kind of information. But no, like no, I've never created a a fake social media.

Josh: 14:26

Yeah, I haven't.

Pamela: 14:28

And we kind of talked about, I think we've talked about this before. Like, I'm just not at least not anymore. I'm not insecure or assecure as I was. I don't um feel jealousy anymore. You know, I'm pretty insecure in who I am, and you know, it it's a struggle. Confidence and worth and all of that is a struggle. Still, you know, um, it's a journey. Uh but I'm at a point now where like when it comes to relationships or friendships or whatever, um I like if you wanna do something else, then go do something else. Yeah, you know, like I am not going to convince you to hang out with me or be friends with me, or you know, I've really like if you are bye.

Josh: 15:22

Right.

Pamela: 15:23

Bye, Felicia.

Josh: 15:24

Well, and you know, I I'm a big believer in just going where you're wanted, you know, like spending time with people that are interested in that time being spent with you. And and I wasted a lot of so my kind of late teen years really chasing after relationships that were a complete waste of time. Complete waste of time. And I'm I'm talking friendships, I'm talking dating relationships. Like I just oh, yeah, I got it wrong.

Pamela: 15:49

And that damn prefrontal cortex being immature. God, it was bad. Yeah, but not anymore.

Josh: 15:58

Look how smart we are.

Pamela: 15:59

Yeah, we're so secure. Um, this is very similar to one we've done before. I don't know if you want to do it. Have you ever been punched in the face?

Josh: 16:09

Yes. Um story time. Yeah. Uh I mean, more than once.

Pamela: 16:15

Um I I don't think I've ever been punched in the face, like intentionally. I think my kids would probably unintentionally punch me in the face when they were babies or something, but I yeah, no. Um I'm fortunate in that.

Josh: 16:29

Yeah, yeah. First time for me was seventh grade. Um just a just a kid who was such an ass and such a bully, and uh he was kind of a lot smaller than me, actually. I so when I was in seventh grade, I hadn't really hit my growth spurt yet, but I was already kind of on that trend. And so I was one of the taller guys in my class. I was skinny as a rail, so I had no weight on me at all, but I was tall. And this kid who drove everybody crazy uh was just running his mouth. And I remember saying something like, dude, no one cares what you say. And he just reared back and punched me, and and he hit me, and I remember I I I swear to god, this is exactly what I remember. He hit me, and I I kind of stood there stunned for a second, like I was just surprised. Yeah, this happened. And then the honestly, the next thought in my head was that's it? Yeah, like that's I expected worse than that. That wasn't that bad. And and he had already turned and started kind of hustling around.

Pamela: 17:38

I was gonna say, did he tuck his tail?

Josh: 17:39

He he I won't say he tucked his tail, but he was moving on, and this was at school, there were adults around. I I knew that if I was gonna retaliate, that it was all gonna come back to me, and I was like, eh, it's fine. And it happened a few other times. I I I I've probably been punched in the face four or five times, um, not counting when the the Christmas that my dad and uncles bought all of the cousins who were kind of within the same age. Uh, we all got boxing gloves for Christmas, and we spent the majority of that Christmas break just knocking the piss out of each other, um, which was a little fun. Oh, yeah.

Pamela: 18:24

Like, so I I think I can I thought you were gonna say this the Christmas when the Hulk hands came out.

Josh: 18:30

Oh, dude, the Hulk hands. I really missed out on those. Yeah.

Pamela: 18:34

Logan's got some.

Josh: 18:38

That'd be a lot of fun. Uh you're not missing much. Um, the punched in the face thing. It's uh I don't know.

Pamela: 18:44

I mean, I've gotten into some some girl fights, but that was more like hair pulling and you know, girls fight different.

Josh: 18:52

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So yeah, I'm I don't need to do any more fighting. Too old for that. Um would you drink a cup of human blood for five thousand dollars?

Pamela: 19:05

No, I'm a I'm not a vampire.

Josh: 19:08

No, I don't understand like this is just one of those moments, and I feel like we've had several of these moments of bad choices where it's like the dollar figure just isn't matching up with Oh no, no, no.

Pamela: 19:18

Like well, okay, so I actually went back and read the rules, and it makes more sense if you go by the rules.

Josh: 19:25

Educate us on the rules.

Pamela: 19:27

The object of each turn is to ask a player a question that you think they will say yes to.

Josh: 19:34

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that makes sense.

Pamela: 19:38

If they say yes, which you can only say yes or no, like you that's it. Um, if they say yes, you get to discard your card in the pile. If they say no, you must keep the card and try to use it again later.

Josh: 19:50

So okay, that does make a yeah.

Pamela: 19:53

When I when I went back and read it and was like, oh okay, these numbers make more sense because we're not playing it like they created it.

Josh: 20:01

Also, would you get a lot of enjoyment, or really any enjoyment at all? Okay, um, from being a member of the opposite sex for a day.

Pamela: 20:11

Oh, yeah.

Josh: 20:12

What do you think you would enjoy the most?

Pamela: 20:15

Um no consequences, like doing whatever I want. Like, I so I was a big tomboy growing up. My mom had said, like, my dad wanted a boy. Of course, back in the 80s they didn't have ultrasounds, so he, you know, you find out when you come out. Um, and so I think I spent a lot of time kind of trying to be a little more boyish, you know, growing up, you know, in order to make my dad feel like he got what he wanted.

Josh: 20:49

Yeah, yeah.

Pamela: 20:50

Um, but no, I would love like, yeah, I would do it. I would do it.

Josh: 20:56

Absolutely.

Pamela: 20:57

I'm starting to feel like people are gonna take that as like, I'm interested in being trans.

Josh: 21:02

Like that's not what we're saying, ladies and gentlemen.

Pamela: 21:05

No, I do appreciate being a female, but like if I could be, yeah, yeah. Yeah, could you imagine my personality as a guy?

Josh: 21:14

You would be kind of unstoppable. Uh-huh. Yeah. Oh in fact, maybe it's best for the rest of us that that never ever happens. Yeah. I'm I'm not sure we're ready. Um, I mean, I would I would enjoy being a member of the opposite sex for a day just for the hilarity of like being six foot five. Yeah. You know, I mean it would just be it would be energy. Oh, I would be a short man. I mean, not short, short.

Pamela: 21:43

I'm five's seven, somewhere in there.

Josh: 21:46

Yeah. You know, it you would be on the less tall side, but uh no, that's this is a fun one. I I would totally do this for a day. I don't know that I'd want to stay a woman, but I'd I'd I'd check it out in the Interest in science.

Pamela: 22:13

Okay. This is another shock value.

Josh: 22:16

Perfect.

Pamela: 22:17

If you were broke and desperate, would you become a prostitute?

Josh: 22:22

I mean to be a giggelo. I would be in such high demand that I I think it wouldn't make sense for me not to.

Pamela: 22:30

You know, you do have a certain demographic.

Josh: 22:34

Yeah. Yeah. It's it's um a demographic that is difficult for me to connect with. Um, but the the reality is, you know, I'll I'll do what I have to to feed my kids, you know.

Pamela: 22:47

Well, I've been broke and desperate and I became an Uber driver.

Josh: 22:51

Yeah. I have also driven Uber. So we yeah, well, I am there with you. It's not quite the same uh as prostitution, but um but I don't know, maybe if we didn't have vehicles.

Pamela: 23:05

No, I uh I I it'd have to be, I would have had to have exhausted a lot of options.

Josh: 23:14

Would you amputate one of your fingers for $50,000?

Pamela: 23:20

Right now, no. I think I would have to be in a much more desperate situation to do that because I mean you can't your flanges don't grow back, right?

Josh: 23:34

Yeah, you know, and you need them.

Pamela: 23:36

I I was honestly thinking, like, okay, well, which one could I let go? And maybe a ring finger.

Josh: 23:41

That was actually what I was thinking. Like the ring finger.

Pamela: 23:43

I think I can like maybe I I don't know. You know, it's not like I play any instruments and need all my fingers. Um, but I I'd have to be really desperate.

Josh: 23:56

Yeah, and again, like 50 grand is just not nearly enough. Like the the I'm with you on the ring finger. I actually thought about like, okay, I don't really use the ring finger on my right hand for a whole lot. I could probably get away without it. Um, but again, 50 grand, it's like it's it's just not enough to move the needle for me. Like, yeah, add a zero and then give me nothing.

Pamela: 24:20

Daniel that oh, yeah.

Josh: 24:22

That's a hard no, you know, it's you know, Daniel our keys player friend from our our uh Christmas special.

Pamela: 24:27

That yeah, and that's why Daniel Porter music on Instagram.

Josh: 24:32

Uh you like for me as a guitar player, I'm a little more reliant on my left hand, uh on having all the fingers on my left hand, but even then, like I actually wouldn't mind starting to play piano again and stuff like that, in which case it would be sure handy to have all 10 phalanges. Yep. Um I like that word. But yeah, it's a good word. Thanks, Lisa Coudreau from France. Uh but anyway, uh yeah, I I I wouldn't be I don't know, I wouldn't be excited about missing any of them.

Pamela: 25:02

For a hundred grand, would you not bathe or shower for a year?

Josh: 25:09

Ugh oh man, that's a hard one for me. I don't again at a zero, but but like I just I value hygiene very highly and without giving all my business away on the internet, like I I I am not a small human and bathing is important.

Pamela: 25:38

And we live in Texas.

Josh: 25:40

And we live in Texas, and I do not like to be hot and sweaty, and unfortunately, I am a reasonably sweaty human being. I don't enjoy that about myself. It is easily the thing I'm most self-conscious about. It uh no, I don't think so. The more I've sat and thought about it, like not for a full year. Not for a full year.

Pamela: 25:58

I mean maybe I might do it for a couple weeks.

Josh: 26:04

Yeah.

Pamela: 26:05

Maybe.

Josh: 26:06

Yeah, and warn everybody.

Pamela: 26:07

Maybe a month. Maybe I I what what okay? Well, what month is it?

Josh: 26:14

Right, are we talking August or January?

Pamela: 26:16

August, absolutely not.

Josh: 26:18

Right.

Pamela: 26:19

And does And then does being in the pool count?

Josh: 26:21

That was exactly what I was gonna say. Are we of course it was are we counting pool time? Because if we're counting pool time, I can buy a little more time with that. You know, chlorine's kind of terrible for your skin, it's basically bleach, yeah, but it'll keep you from getting really unless we had a saltwater pool, which we don't.

Pamela: 26:37

And now we're really going down a rabbit hole. And Leia's over there lapping it up.

Josh: 26:42

I know the answer to this, but I'm gonna ask it anyway because it's fun conversation. If you were a police officer, would you be a dirty cop?

Pamela: 26:51

A dirty cop?

Josh: 26:52

Like corrupt.

Pamela: 26:55

Oh no.

Josh: 26:57

No, yeah, of course not.

Pamela: 27:00

Um, no. Well, I wouldn't be a cop.

Josh: 27:04

Yeah, I wouldn't be. Um I wouldn't be very good at it.

Pamela: 27:07

I would be working toward like turning the attitude around cops, yeah, you know, like not not the attitude toward them and all of the controversy over the last decades. Um but being part of the shift of like, hey, why don't we be better people?

Josh: 27:30

Right. Yeah. You know, why don't why don't we part of the change here? Yes. Yeah.

Pamela: 27:33

Yeah. No, I couldn't like, I'm sure there were moments I'd be petty as hell.

Josh: 27:38

Yeah.

Pamela: 27:39

And I think there were times when, you know, I would probably pull people over who've harassed me at some point, like just to scare them a little bit.

Josh: 27:48

Right.

Pamela: 27:49

Throw a little down, throw it, throw down a little authority in my transition. Um my man cop for a day.

Josh: 28:01

Right, exactly. You let's combine those two cards. So you could be a man cop for a day.

Pamela: 28:06

But no, I would not be, I wouldn't be corrupt. I would not. No.

Josh: 28:11

Well, and I don't see a lot of point.

Pamela: 28:14

Like true. Like, I I don't I I can be petty and I can be whatever. I do not see the point in being a dick to be a dick.

Josh: 28:23

Right.

Pamela: 28:24

Like I don't I don't agree with that.

Josh: 28:26

Yeah. The corruption is not interesting to me.

Pamela: 28:28

And again, I'm secure and right. You know.

Josh: 28:31

Yeah.

Pamela: 28:32

Okay, here we go. Here we go. Would you tattoo a teardrop on your face for a hundred grand?

Josh: 28:47

Okay. I have a plan. I have a plan.

Pamela: 28:52

Okay.

Josh: 28:54

I would shave my beard, have the teeniest teardrop possible, like on my skin, and then regrow my beard. Because I know they're typically done at the corners of your eyes.

Pamela: 29:08

Yeah, yeah. It's like on your cheek.

Josh: 29:10

So if but it didn't specify that. It said like uh it said on your face.

Pamela: 29:15

I don't have that luxury.

Josh: 29:17

That's true.

Pamela: 29:18

I would just get it laser removed. Like after um, what the due process or whatever. Right. What's that called? The statute of limitations. When the statute of limitations was up, then I would yeah.

Josh: 29:33

Yeah.

Pamela: 29:34

But honestly, I would kind of I don't know. I think I might rock it. Because I definitely look like a criminal. Um, and so I would want people to have questions.

Josh: 29:45

Right. That's healthy. Yeah.

Pamela: 29:46

And I would come up with like fake stories, like that. Oh, I have fun with this.

Josh: 29:51

Yeah.

Pamela: 29:52

Okay, sorry. But this was your question.

Josh: 29:53

No, so you would it's all skate.

Pamela: 29:56

Under your beard, and then you grow back.

Josh: 29:57

Yeah.

Pamela: 29:58

Okay.

Josh: 29:58

Yeah. But I also like the so to to piggyback on your idea, I would also exhaust the statute of limitations and then shave my beard and have it lasered off. Um, which actually I wonder if that I don't know how that would affect my beard growth, but I don't know. Thankfully, I'm not going to do any of that. So, yeah. Oh. But it's it would be scar tissue after the lasering, and normally I can't normally you can't grow uh so then you would just have a teardrop like empty patch. I I I think I know the answer to this question, but I'm gonna ask it anyway. Have you ever talked your way out of a speeding ticket?

Pamela: 30:37

Hmm, I'm not sure.

Josh: 30:40

Okay.

Pamela: 30:41

I'm not sure. So, okay. What had happened was I was working in downtown Louisville. I was still living at home. I was uh probably 20, early 20s. And if like driving home in rush hour in Louisville is just annoying. Like it's not like miserable like it is here, you know? Yeah, it's just annoying. And I was this is when I was working and I was going to school, and for whatever reason, I didn't have to go to school that day. And so I was just driving home and I got really close to my exit. And I think it was actually like the next exit. Well, the exit before there was an on-ramp, and I drove this little crappy Toyota Corolla, and people just never saw me. Like I would anyway, so he gets on and he almost hits me because he just doesn't see me, and I just I don't know, I'd had it. Like I was just tired and ready to get home, and I was almost home, and I just floored it. Um, again, a 1990 Toyota Corolla. So I ended up going like 90 miles an hour and a 55. And I got off the exit, and when I got off the exit, there was uh undercover Jeep Liberty behind me with its lights on. Oh, and I was like, So there wasn't really a great place to pull off. Like, so I went like I threw my flashers on, I went straight um through the light, and then I found like a little like left turn lane, and I pulled over there, and I immediately I turned the engine off, I put my hands on the wheel. I was like, here we go.

Josh: 32:34

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Pamela: 32:35

Um, and he came up and he's just like screaming at me. Uh he's like, You were going 90 miles an hour, weaving in and out of traffic, da-da-da-da-da, and all this stuff. And like, I mean, he is just wailing on me. And he's like, What do you have to say? What do you have to say for yourself? I said, honestly, um I've had a long week at work. I was just trying to get home. The truck didn't see me. I just was trying to get home, get off the exit, and you know, yeah, you know, yeah. I didn't I didn't deny anything. Um and so he goes back to his Jeep, and I'm just like, I'm sitting here going, like, I'm gonna lose my job, like, I don't know what I'm gonna do. Uh and so I just sat there and then he came back and he's like, Well, you're lucky like this, I'm a drug cop and there's nobody here, like in the this jurisdiction that can get here, and blah blah blah. And he just kept screaming at me, and then he got in his Jeep and drove off. And now I was just sitting there like, like, can I leave? Right, like I was like, I don't know, I don't know what to do, and so I just started the car and went on. I was like, Well, I guess I'll have a bench warrant if you know, like, yeah, but I mean, so maybe I mean that that I mean it sounds close to I mean, I was honest, I was just honest with him. I'm like, this is what happened. I you you were you saw traffic, like I'm just it's been a long day, yeah. And I I don't know if he appreciated the honesty, or like I said, I think it was just there was nobody around. Like, I don't think he could give me a citation because he was a drug cop. Interesting, but he could I guess get somebody and nobody was around and because it was rush hour, and so I think he just said, screw it. I think he wanted to get home too.

Josh: 34:33

Right. Right. So, you know, she's got the right idea. I'm out of here. Yeah, yeah.

Pamela: 34:37

I've got um I definitely didn't do 90 through that section of the highway anymore, but I played the fifth on the rest.

Josh: 34:45

Yeah, I I think I've talked my way out of a couple of tickets, but the the one that stands out that I probably like I'm not super proud of, but at the same time, I think the logic holds up is I I was actually in Southlake getting on 114, and I was I was getting, and for those of you who are aren't North Texas people, this is a major highway that runs between kind of the Fort Worth area and the Dallas area, and South Lake is a littered with cops, yes, littered with cops, and Southlake specifically is a very heavily patrolled area, and um they'll ticket their grandmothers. I mean, they don't care at all. Nope. So I was getting on the highway, and as soon as I merged on, I got pulled over. And Krista was in the car with me, and so I pulled over, I did all the usual things, the flash was on, the hands on the wheel, blah, blah, blah. So he comes up and he goes, Do you know how fast you're going? And I said, Well, I was accelerating. I mean, I I just I just merged onto the highway. Like I come down the on-ramp, merged on. And he was like, Yeah, he goes, I I I have you going like 70. I was like, Well, but but where? Like, where did you clock me? Because if I'm doing 70 on the access road, that's a different speed limit than 70 on the highway. And there's an on-ramp, and what's the speed limit on the on-ramp? And he just kind of looked at me and he's like, I'll be right back. And so he takes my license and my insurance information, and he's obviously going just to run my license and stuff, which is fine, whatever. And so he comes back and uh and he's like, You're free to go. I was like, Oh. Okay. And the best I can tell is he actually clocked me, he clocked my speed while I was accelerating down the on-ramp.

Pamela: 36:32

Or you they could have been looking for somebody.

Josh: 36:35

Yeah, that's true.

Pamela: 36:36

You know, or they could have been like on a bench warrant quota or something. I don't know.

Josh: 36:40

Yeah, but it was strange.

Pamela: 36:43

Yeah, I mean, it's 65 through there. So 70 is not unreusable. I mean, I've seen people just go wild. Wait, is it my turn? It is, yeah. Okay. Okay, I don't know if you have, but I I know you should. Have you ever tried out for a reality TV show? Oh, actually, you have.

Josh: 37:03

No. Well, I never actually tried out. You wanted me to. You and Krista and Josh wanted me to.

Pamela: 37:09

That no, I was talking about the Jeff Goldblum thing, but I don't think that was a TV.

Josh: 37:13

Oh, I mean, it okay, so that's that's it was through Variety Magazine. So it wasn't really a TV thing, but it was a truly hilarious and silly little brief season of life. Um, but so okay, the question is have I ever tried out for a reality TV show? So specifically a reality TV show, no, I've not tried out. Um there was uh there was a show that was casting a little while back that was based on like backyard barbecue guys. And I think you sent me that link and we're like, you should do this. And my problem was all of the audition process was following, it was falling in a very busy season of my life, and I just couldn't see a way for me to really do it. But um the closest we've come is Krista and I were a part of a truly hilarious uh competition through Variety Magazine, sponsored by Jeff Goldblum and his wife, where we were part of this voting pool where people could go online and vote for Krista and I as America's favorite couple.

Pamela: 38:17

Yeah, yeah, that's it.

Josh: 38:19

And it was, I mean, kind of ridiculous and hilarious.

Pamela: 38:25

Well, but the best part of that is she she signed up on Instagram and forgot.

Josh: 38:29

Yes, she did.

Pamela: 38:30

Krista signed up and completely forgot, and then she gets this email and she's like, like they'd been selected as uh whatever, one of the couples, and then she had to tell Josh.

Josh: 38:44

Right, yeah, and then she had to tell me, and and that was a truly hilarious conversation because anytime that Krista is nervous to tell me something, the conversation starts the same way. She starts, so and then that that's my tell. That's I know that she's like a little bit like not excited to loot me into what's going on. Um, and so that's how it started, and I knew I was in for something, I don't know. And then she explains the whole thing to me, and I was like, Okay, so what do I have to do? And she was like, basically nothing. She's like, I you just need to kind of promote it on social media, and I was like, Okay, like, you know, because I never really expected to go that far with it.

Pamela: 39:32

And so y'all made it a couple rounds.

Josh: 39:34

We did, we made it, I think, three rounds through, but they never really showed how many couples were in each round.

Pamela: 39:41

Oh, and I didn't like that. Like you didn't know how much competition you had, right? Yeah, so it was like, how hard do I how hard do I promote this with my friend? Like, how hard do I push this? Because like if it's me and three other people, that's different from me and 50 other.

Josh: 39:59

Mm-hmm. Yeah. And so eventually we hit a threshold where we were out. Um But I mean, I always thought I'd be pretty good on the amazing race. Um, I don't think I'd be a great survivor contestant, but but I think I could be entertaining.

Pamela: 40:18

Um I've thought about doing the circle.

Josh: 40:22

Oh, yeah. Oh, oh. Okay, but what if we oh no? Okay, so you know, the circle catfishes and stuff. Okay, so for the uninitiated, the circle is uh a Netflix reality TV show. It's not voting based, like the public doesn't vote, but the contestants all do various kinds of votes. And I gotta hand it to them. It's entertaining, it is like it's garbage TV.

Pamela: 40:50

Oh, totally, but it's entertaining.

Josh: 40:53

So uh yeah, you'd be great at the circle, and I could see you catfishing exceptionally well. Oh, like I think you could No, but here's the problem.

Pamela: 41:02

Okay, but I'm a terrible liar, that's a problem. Yeah, like I if I was gonna catch I'd have to catfish as like another 40-year-old woman. Like, I don't know. Like, I I I would not I might be able to pull off a dude. Maybe, maybe, maybe, but no, I I don't know. I I might I would probably just go in as myself. Yeah, because that's too much to juggle, like that's a lot, and then the especially last couple seasons, like people are slick, yeah, and how they figure out like, oh well, so and so you know, if they're really this, then they would know this. And um, yeah, I I I just I have that'd be entertaining.

Josh: 41:52

I would I would for sure watch you on the circle. That that would be a good one. Um I think I would be good at that. I think I would get so bored, like because on the circle, but everyone's isolated. I think the boredom would get to me eventually because it's like it the I've read some behind the scenes on the circle, and basically they're only really filming a few hours a day, and they're not allowed to see anybody. Like, and so you're stuck there, and you better be real good at entertaining yourself. Have you ever had a drink thrown in your face?

Pamela: 42:25

No.

Josh: 42:26

Have you ever thrown a drink in somebody else's face?

Pamela: 42:31

I I don't think so. Not that I recall.

Josh: 42:36

Yeah. See, I reading this question, I felt like it was kind of 50-50. I was like, I wouldn't be surprised at at any answer. Like if you have or if you haven't.

Pamela: 42:45

I don't I'm not you I'm not usually like a that kind of aggressive.

Josh: 42:49

Yeah. Like I'll give you another one. I'll give you a better one here. In the event of a zombie apocalypse.

Pamela: 42:54

Oh god.

Josh: 42:55

Mm-hmm. Would you sacrifice everyone here to save yourself?

Pamela: 43:01

No.

Josh: 43:02

I didn't think so.

Pamela: 43:03

No. I'm not gonna make it.

Josh: 43:06

Nope. You're very convinced of that, and I'm not we've talked about the medication element of it.

Pamela: 43:10

It really, and that's what it comes down to. Like, I just don't think I could survive.

Josh: 43:16

But with a lifetime supply, which I I don't well, okay.

Pamela: 43:19

Well, that changes things.

Josh: 43:21

So if you had a lifetime supply of whatever you needed from a from a medical standpoint, like from a medication standpoint, rather, if you had a lifetime supply, do you feel like you could hold do you feel like you could last a year? Let's let's let's say a year. Would you last a year in the zombie apocalypse?

Pamela: 43:41

Surprise, it depends. Um I think you would. I mean, I'm pretty resourceful. You are I would make a lot of mistakes. Um but I think I could figure out how to like feed my. Myself make a fire get fresh water. You know, I think I could meet the basic needs.

Josh: 44:12

Yeah.

Pamela: 44:13

Um, you know, I don't like if I got ill or injured, I don't know. Um allergic to penicillin. So like I'm screwed there. Um I I just nah. I mean, I I I I'd probably put up a fight, yeah. Especially like because of my kids. Yeah. Like I would you know, but at the same time, it's like are would they be able to make it, you know? So I don't I I think it's just Syanara.

Josh: 44:50

Like your optimism knows no bounds.

Pamela: 44:54

No, it's realism. It's being it's practicality. Like it's just I'll put up a fight, but I ain't gonna be surprised.

Josh: 45:03

That's kind of where I fall is like I would certainly I would make tremendous efforts. Like I would take it on as a challenge that I feel like I could figure out at least to some degree. I'm with you, and that I would make loads of mistakes. But yeah, I think I would figure it out.

Pamela: 45:22

Um and you don't want to see me off like my like mental health medication, like I would probably go into full-blown like anxiety and like that would be that would be a downfall.

Josh: 45:35

Yeah, yeah, I could see that being hard for sure.

Pamela: 45:37

Oh, I already know the answer to this. Are you a good person to call for relationship advice? Let's ask Madeline.

Josh: 45:43

I'd like to think so.

Pamela: 45:45

Have you ever let someone buy you drinks all night with no intention of going home with them?

Josh: 45:51

Um, I wish. Uh no, I've normally been the drink buyer, not the not the receiver. Um I mean what's funny is like Krista and I got married so young that that I I had a handful of experiences of like, I'm gonna go out and try and meet somebody at a bar and things like that. But I was so young when all that was happening that I just had no game at all. And I had barely any money at all. So it's not like I could just keep the drinks coming for me and somebody else.

Pamela: 46:22

Like I And then where would you take them?

Josh: 46:25

Right, right. If if they were Would you like to go hang out in my really lousy apartment with my roommates?

Pamela: 46:34

And well, at least it's not your childhood bedroom.

Josh: 46:37

Right, yeah, yeah. I I I didn't have that to worry about.

Pamela: 46:41

But I also don't see you being that kind of person. Like I could see you buying drinks for somebody just to get to know them.

Josh: 46:48

Yeah. Like I I don't see you being like a womanizer, like I I would use it as an icebreaker and and just a little bit of like, you know, uh liquid courage, as they say. Um but honestly, like in my dating days, um I loved the idea of kind of leaving people curious. And and so I would try and really drive conversations and and and get to know folks and all of that. And then I liked kind of stopping before I ran out of things to say or or or like compelling stories or things like that. I I I never really tried to draw out a whole lot of conversations. I would get to a point where I felt like I had become interesting to the person I was talking to, and then I would sort of almost kind of move on. Like, like, let's see how they react if I'm like, okay, well, I gotta get out of here, so I'm gonna take off. Uh, you know, and and and just kind of see if that created intrigue or whatever. But but I also overthought almost everything that I did when I was that age. Um would you accept $500,000, but every Saturday for the rest of your life, you had to work as a clown at kids' parties. Nope. Yeah. Nope. I mean, for the rest of my life or half a million, no thanks.

Pamela: 48:16

Unless I could dress up like Harley Quinn.

Josh: 48:18

Mm-hmm.

Pamela: 48:19

I I mean, she's not really a clown, but close enough.

Josh: 48:22

I'm not sure what kind of kids' parties you'd be going to.

Pamela: 48:28

No. Yeah. No, no. Uh that's a good chunk of money, but no. Not it's not again, it's not I mean, am I gonna be like 78? Right. Rolling into kids' parties in yeah, that just it's I'm also assuming I'm gonna live that long, but well, I I think it's I'll be one of those hangers on to like 101, and all the grand great grandkids are gonna be like, when is she gonna die so we can get her inheritance?

Josh: 48:53

Right, yeah. Like with your vaccine.

Pamela: 48:55

My great-grandchildren are apparently gonna be assholes.

Josh: 49:00

Yeah, it's all right. We'll start talking to your kids about that now. Be like, listen, like when you have kids, they need to not be jerks. Oh, let's do two more and be done. Two more. The way you're looking at me is scary.

Pamela: 49:19

Do you support polygamy?

Josh: 49:23

I mean, for starters, who doesn't? Um, you know, we polygamy is just so widely accepted uh culturally. Um, it's funny. I so when I think about polygamy, stay with me here. Okay. When I think about polygamy, I think about like how so many people in hyper-conservative circles and stuff like that talk about like traditional family values and biblical family values and stuff like that. Do you have any idea how many people in the Bible were in like polygamy situations? Yeah. Like the wives and concubines, one of the guys with the most notoriety is King Solomon, who had like vast amounts of of women in his life.

Pamela: 50:02

Uh well, I mean, yeah, Roman and Greek Empire, like that was all a thing. I mean, do I support polygamy?

Josh: 50:09

I mean, not really, because I think that it is it still going on like there's there are parts of the Mormon.

Pamela: 50:15

Is it a cult thing?

Josh: 50:16

Uh it is typically linked to it's illegal, right? I think so. I think it's federally illegal. I think there are some states who have made, I think particularly the state of Utah has has made some concessions. And I also think that it in some circles, um, it's a look the other way situation. Like a lot of leadership kind of just doesn't prosecute.

Pamela: 50:39

Did you ever watch that show Big Love on HBO?

Josh: 50:41

I didn't, but I have been told that it's awesome.

Pamela: 50:44

It's so good.

Josh: 50:45

Yeah.

Pamela: 50:46

But it is like it's that situation. So it's Bill Paxton. Paxton. Bill Paxton. And yeah, he's married to three wives, and they have three separate homes. And but it starts out like his wife had cancer. And so they thought that she was gonna pass. And so because of their faith, he took a second wife. Wow. And then I guess she ended up surviving, obviously. And and then they ended up like with a third, but they all lived next door to each other.

Josh: 51:22

Yeah.

Pamela: 51:22

And they all shared like a back, which my thing is like, come on now, like because the houses were really close, like people aren't gonna notice, but I guess maybe he always just went into like the one house with like the first wife, and then would go like through the backyard. I don't know. Like, did y'all just not have guests? Like, what there's no people gonna be figuring that out.

Josh: 51:43

Yeah, they are, and I uh do I support it? No, like I I I think that it's something that happens uh uh even still to this day, but I think that it's fundamentally a bad thing for women. Um yeah, I mean it it's it's a I don't know.

Pamela: 51:58

Does it go the other way?

Josh: 52:00

Uh I I I think a lot of well, okay, that's fair. I I think that there are some men who would be very excited at the idea, and there's plenty of others who you know definitely wouldn't. Um but yeah, I I I think that overall it's probably a net loss for most of the women involved because they're never getting a full partner, like they're never experiencing you know what it can be.

Pamela: 52:30

Um yeah, there was a lot of that drama in that show.

Josh: 52:33

Yeah, I've I've always wanted to check out that show. I I really I really ought to try and jump back in.

Pamela: 52:39

It is really good. It is a lot of controversy. Um not just the polygamy side of it, but even like the religious aspects of it. Um yeah, but listeners, let us know. Do you support polygamy?

Josh: 52:53

Yeah, right. Yeah, comment.

Pamela: 52:54

Are you in a polygamist relationship? Let us know.

Josh: 52:58

We've got questions. Yeah, we will have you as a guest very quickly. Um okay, so I'm gonna ask this with with your uh this always applies, but saying it out loud with your full veto capability, but I just think it's kind of entertaining. Have you ever had a crazy ex?

Pamela: 53:21

Um, but I have definitely dated people that I should not have been with.

Josh: 53:29

Uh yeah, no, no, no one who just kind of went off the rails when when things ended.

Pamela: 53:38

No, because they usually ended them with me, so I was probably the craziest, to be honest.

Josh: 53:44

Yeah. Yeah, I um I have I was very fortunate. I I didn't like again, got married super young, so I didn't have a lot of like dating as a grown-up experience. Um and thankfully, I mean, of the the people that I dated kind of throughout high school, early college, and things like that, a lot of them were pretty well balanced human beings. Uh, you know, and a couple of which I've I've kind of maintained some friendships with to this day. Um but yeah, I just didn't really have that experience. I I didn't I I didn't have to navigate that kind of stuff. So if you've had a crazy ex, dear listener, um we want to know about it. All the details, all the deets. Yeah, yeah. Spill the tea all the way, and yeah, we'll we'll basically turn it into a Bridgerton episode, which by the way, Bridgerton is back. We haven't dove into it yet because we've been trying to fit finish Stranger Things.

Pamela: 54:48

Oh, I love Bridgerton. Yeah, I don't know why, like normally that kind of stuff I don't get into. I got into Downton Abbey because it started with the sinking of the Titanic, yeah, and I got hooked on that, and then that was a great show. It was, it really was. And then Bridgerton. Again, these are just not shows I would normally gravitate toward, but it was the music.

Josh: 55:13

Yeah, the music.

Pamela: 55:15

I was like, I loved how they took current day songs and made them into, you know, what do you call that?

Josh: 55:25

Orchestra instrumental, yeah, classical string ensembles, basically.

Pamela: 55:28

Yeah, and they just they were so good though.

Josh: 55:31

So it's a lot of fun, yeah.

Pamela: 55:33

But anyway, we we would love to hear more about your exes, and so please feel like we like to hear about the drama, we don't want to be involved in it, but we we want all the i mean, come on, hot mess Madeline. And if you haven't watched that already, what are you doing? Yes, we have episode two, yeah.

Josh: 55:51

I I man, episode two is some good content too, and I laughed out loud so much editing that episode. I see it is spicy, and and I actually took out a couple of spicier parts that I just was like, ooh, that's pushing it.

Pamela: 56:08

Uh and so I gotta see them out take. Yeah, I need to I need to put it on the I was there and I don't remember.

Josh: 56:14

Yeah, it was it was quite the day. Um we were drinking mimosas, we were, yeah, and it was a lot of fun. Oh man, but no, she she delivered some good. So if you're not subscribing to Substack, you're really missing out on some prime content. You also are missing out on watching me not walk on ice, um, the the material, not the federal agent. Um and uh You do need to clarify. Yes, yeah, yeah, that has multiple meanings right now. So that is also available to you. There's there's some there's some good stuff uh on the premium side of things. So do yourself a favor, check it out. It's worth your time. It's over on Substack. Um, as always, like and subscribe to us on YouTube. We're very, very grateful. We're also on Instagram and TikTok. Please find us there. That's awesome. Oh, and Facebook. I I never mentioned Facebook. I don't know why. Find us on Facebook too. Give us a little like. We don't really love Facebook, but we feel a need to have it. Yeah. Um, it's we're on there. Yeah, we're on there. But Instagram, TikTok, those are your better bets. Um YouTube, Substack. Definitely YouTube and Substack. And so anyway, we're so grateful that you joined us. We hope that you uh learned something really weird about us during this episode because some pretty interesting stories were shared. So yeah, have a wonderful week, and we will be back in your ears uh in the next seven days.

Pamela: 57:30

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Josh: 57:53

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